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[edit] A "war propaganda" related/genred movie (similar as in the movies about vietnameese war and "war" against native americans)?

Should we label it as such?

  • snakes are in general a symbol of middle-eastern countries/civilization/culture - snakes on the plane - rings a bell in the light of recent events?
  • plane is the goverment system - snakes are destroying, FBI and dutiful flight people are repairing
  • Samuel is breaking the security of people by shooting into the safety-guards (walls) of the plane to get rid of snakes, he even shoots the witness to protect him, but everything comes out good and safe in the end :p (ref. USA civil rights reductions)
  • woman from India does not get bitten, luckily avoids the bite in the foot (ref. india vs pakistan struggles)
  • no arabs on the plane (ref. topic, no good vietnameese in the jungles;)
  • start location: Hawaii islands (ref. the american dream)

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, on the contrary I'm nothing of the like, but the movie just came out on me like that - the propaganda way. Thanks in advance for all replies and suggestions! :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.244.219.253 (talk • contribs) .

That's an interesting thesis, but one of the rules of Wikipedia is No original research. I suggest you write up an essay based on this idewa and submit to a political magazine. Who knows? You might even make a buck or two in royalties. Lovelac7 00:26, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I think you're just over-interpreting there. Hasbone 22:55, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with the above discords with this theory. Moreover, such a concept is left even more questionable by the compelling possibility that SOAP is indeed a satire of such hysteria around aviation threats.Asasa64 08:30, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

You have no citations. Therefore, no. Patriarch 09:49, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I just did a fix-up of the ending.

I added a lot of information that was left out of the previous version, although I did leave parts of it intact. I have an audio recording of the ending on my MP3 player (don't ask >_>) so it should be pretty accurate. If you feel like the whole thing should be more of a quick summary then just change it back. The only thing I'm really unsure of is the last paragraph - I felt the "first words" thing needed to be mentioned somehow, but I don't think I put it in too well... just change it to how you think it would work best. Norar 04:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Epic Movie

The film Epic Movie, to be released in 2007, will parody Snakes on a Plane in a portion of its movie. I believe that this should be included somewhere, especially since it appears that it will be one of the better parodies and also since it's included in a feature film. However, I don't know what section to put it in, so please feel free to add info about it where appropriate. View the article to see the trailer on MySpace to see the parody.--Nehrams2020 05:18, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I personally don't think it's going to be one of the "better" parodies as you said (I thought the parody in the trailer looked bad), but it does deserve a mention. I'm going to put it in the Trivia section for now. - Norar 05:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I did it, but I think it needs more information on the parody itself. I would re-watch the scene in the trailer and put more information in now but I'm a bit tired to be bothered. Maybe later. - Norar 05:17, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

First off, that movie could not look worse. I have no doubt that it will be terrible. With that said, it deserves a mention in the article, just as any other "notable" parody would. -- Kicking222 03:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WOOPS!!!

I have no idea how I did that. I'll try and change it back. Sorry!!! Norar 01:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Maxamegalon2000. I was adding some sources to the DVD section as well as stuff on the Australian release date and my computer screwed up and then the page was like that. I feel really bad right now. Norar 01:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't feel bad. Everyone makes mistakes. Plus, it can be fixed really easily like it just was. :) -- RattleMan 01:47, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

You're right on that one, it was just at the time I was shocked when I accidentally reduced a huge article on a loved movie of mine down to a couple of paragraphs and a list! Anyway, I just went back and re-added the sources and Aussie release date without a hassle. :D Norar 08:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

"<gives thumbs up>" --Maxamegalon2000 15:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Renominate for GA status?

I personally think this is an excellent article (aside from frequent vandalism, but that's unrelated to GA status). Does anyone else think that it should be placed back at the Good Article candidates page? It is well-sourced and well-written; my only major issue would be eliminating the "Trivia" section and integrating any notable trivia bits into prose elsewhere in the article. -- Kicking222 19:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I was going to look into starting the process of getting it GA status this week, so it's good to see someone else does also. I added fair use rationale on the pictures already, which prevents a quick-fail. However there are several bits of information within the article that do not have sources. Once these have sources, I think we can submit it and see how it goes. --Nehrams2020 22:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Should the too statements that are unsourced be removed and listed on the talk page until a source is found for them? If we take them off, then it is likely we could pursue GA. We can still attempt to find the sources for them, but pull them off of the article for right now. The two statements lacking sources are:
  • The videos are in discussion to be put on the official DVD produced by Automat Pictures. (from the Internet section)
  • The winner was Max Goldberg, owner of YTMND. (I remember hearing that he won, but we need confirmation. If you return to the official website, it doesn't list a winner, it just says that the contest is over and no more votes will be accepted. --Nehrams2020 06:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, I just checked the criteria for a GA, and it says that articles over 25kb should be nominated for FA, not GA, and this article is currently 49kb long. --Nehrams2020 06:06, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

It's not that articles over 25kb must be nominated for FA instead of GA, it's that said nomination is "often more appropriate". However, since the article has never had a peer review, and because it had a failed GA nomination (which, of course, was before the film came out), I think nominating for GA and then getting feedback from that process is the best option. -- Kicking222 22:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree with going through that process first, since there hasn't been any other feedback I am going to remove the two statements and then submit for GA to see what needs to be changed, if anything. If anyone can find sources for the two below statements, please add them back to the article.
  • The winner was Max Goldberg, owner of YTMND.[1]
  • The videos are in discussion to be put on the official DVD produced by Automat Pictures.[citation needed]

That citation will work, I'll put it in right now. --Nehrams2020 03:38, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA on hold

Covers the topic exhaustively and I see no significant POV problems. Minor issues stand in the way of GA status. The lead and Internet sections could use some cleanup and the overall tone of the Internet section could be improved. The list of viral videos and the Trivia section should definitely be removed, with only the most notable information being incorporated into the article. Noclip 04:02, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Should all of the viral videos be removed, or can some of the most notable ones go in the external links? Does anyone know of a website that has a link to all of these videos? I'm starting to work on removing the trivia section by converting most of it over into a "references and parodies in popular culture" section. Also to describe some of the snake facts within the trivia section, should that be in the cast section with something like "of the 450 snakes used in the film, a xx snake, xx snake was used (although its nonpoisonous replacement called the xx snake was used), and xx snakes were used." Or instead of the cast section should there be a section devoted fully to the snakes, especially since they were a large part of the movie. Please leave some feedback so we can get this moving forward. --Nehrams2020 19:00, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm inclined to say that all the viral videos should be left out. A short blurb about the viral videos in general seems like it would be more appropriate. The inclusion of snake facts should be limited to those that are both notable and genuinely interesting to a reader who hasn't seen the film. To clarify my comment about the lead, it should serve to summarize the article's main points. The comment about re-shooting may be more appropriate in the History section. - Noclip 22:00, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
In my sandbox I reworked the article, moving most of the trivia section into a "parodies and references in popular culture section", leaving only three points in trivia. I moved the snake information up under the cast, and somewhat reworked the intro. I also removed the viral videos as well. Look this over and see if there are any other improvements that need to be made, and once that's done, I'll transfer it over to here. --Nehrams2020 00:54, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Looking over the reworked version, the main issues have been resolved. While it would pass in this form, my personal recommendation is to get rid of the first two trivia facts completely and to work the third one into the History section. Noclip 02:48, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

When the DVD comes out next week (me being Australian) I'll try and tidy up the Synopsis section. --Norar 13:40, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I transfered over the cleaned-up section to the article. You're really lucky to get the early release date, do you know why they went with releasing in Australia first? --Nehrams2020 19:01, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
New Line gets different companies to distribute their films overseas. I think Village Roadshow does it for us. I'm not sure whether it's New Line's choice or Village's choice to release it earlier here, though, but I think the fact that the distributor is different plays a part in it. --Norar 04:15, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Alright, the DVD is mine now. I'll probably start cleaning up the Synopsis section in the next few days. --Norar 08:57, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Just so you know, I did make a start on it ages ago but I've been putting it off since then. I'll have to get around to it some time. Sorry. --Norar 05:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Pass

Improvements have brought it up to GA standard, for which all criteria have been met. I suggest bringing it to peer review some time later to get suggestions and help with improving it further. Noclip 19:42, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Great job on getting it thus far. Dfrg.msc 1 . 2 . Editor Review 23:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] When was the name changed?

It's confusing following the name "Snakes on a Plane". The article states that "Jackson told an interviewer, "We're totally changing that back. That's the only reason I took the job: I read the title."" but it doesn't mention before that line how the name first became Snakes on a Plane then changed (so that Jackson required it set back to Snakes..) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.140.143.174 (talk) 06:14, 6 January 2007 (UTC). -I agree. --anon

[edit] What is unreasonable about "moderate success"

"only moderate and considered to be" was reverted. What is unreasonable about this addition? Just "disappointing" implies that the film was a commercial failure, which it absolutely was not. The articles linked have a quote from one of the producers to the effect of "we'll make money on this just not as much as we expected". M.C. Brown Shoes 09:24, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

The producer of the film is a clearly biased source since no businessman will ever admit to a film doing bad business. What matters here is that the unbiased sources have said "Snakes on A Plane" has "tanked", is a "disappointment", or "failed".If you can find sources that contest them, then please include it. However, the consensus on this talkpage (and in the press) is that SoaP was considered to be a "financial disappointment." Your POV vandalism won't change that fact. --Anon
"Disappointing" is POV in itself. Disappointing to who? The producers! But the producers are biased when they say "we'll make money on this, just not as much as we expected"? Paint me confused. And correct me if I'm wrong but while these aren't too great, they don't look like box office stats for a movie that "tanked". M.C. Brown Shoes 05:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Nonsense. I hate to break it to ya, but this is how Wiki works. It's "disappointing" according to the reporters of the New York Times, EW, Rolling Stones, and many, many other publications. The producer of this film ain't a journalist and the producer is not certainly a publication. The producer is quoted to say he thinks the movie will make its money back. But then the article itself accuses the producer of spinning the facts. And keep in mind, several variables are considered when detirmining when a flop is a flop. King Kong made over $200 million. But it cost $250 million to make. Clerks only made $25 million but it only cost $5 million to make. What makes SoaP a disappointment is that everyone, including the press, thought this film was going to be a huge hit. However, the internet hype was just that... hype. SoaP made the mistake of dumping alot of money in the marketing costs of this film, to the tune of $35-40 million. And that doesn't include the $33 million dollars it cost to make the film. That means the film had to make $65-70 million just to be considered profitable. Last I checked, this has happened. And this is why the press said the film is a disappointment, and I simply reported on this fact for this article in accordance to wiki standards of citation, period. Yes, when a film is expected to be the biggest hit of the summer and then doesn't make it's money back, confounded everyone's expectations, then it is fair to say it is a disappointment. And that isn't according to me, that's according to the press consensus.

Hope this helps. -- Anon

This has been discussed before; see archive 3. schi talk 19:16, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Guest Performers on Cobra Starship Track

Just lending a hand with names

Travis McCoy from Gym Class Hereos William Beckett from The Academy Is Maja Ivarsson from The Sounds

(LadySatine 20:53, 25 January 2007 (UTC))

[edit] About "Dell Girl"...

Just so you know, Agam Darshi was credited as "Dell Girl" in the theatrical release, so it's not exclusive to the DVD version. I might as well take out the whole part about "iPod Girl". --Norar 05:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Score CD release.

Trevor Rabin's score for the film is getting a release on CD on March 13 this year (shifted from February 27). I don't know where this should go, so I'll just put sources here and someone can put the information in where they think it should go.

Source for release date.

Source for track listing (if needed).

--Norar 09:18, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mention marketing failure or blaxploitation?

Grindhouse is being marketed as campy exploitation on purpose, and has generated good buzz. On the other hand, Snakes on a Plane was marketed as a serious action-adventure, and turned out to match the basic requirements of a blaxploitation flick: badass black dude fighting snakes on an out-of-control airplane. --205.201.141.146 16:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

If you can find information from a reliable source stating the above, then we can include it in the article. But if it's only what we think, no matter how well we think we know it, we have to avoid Wikipedia:OR. Any book, newspaper or magazine article, or credible website can be used for a source. --Nehrams2020 17:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
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