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[edit] History of ski or skiing
Are the latest edits here better suited under skiing rather than "ski"? - See revision WinterOfDiscontent 09:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
- I think they should be moved to skiing, since they are more about the sport than the equipment. This article should be "a technical article" about different ski types. But I also think this article should have a history of skiis.Labongo 19:28, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Backcountry & Alpine Separated?
Is the difference between the backcountry ski and the alpine touring ski pronouced enough to justify two separate categories? The two seem to be functionally identical. The descriptions only suggest differences in the manufacturers or the part of the world they are used in. I suggest combining the two.
Much may better be moved to ski or skiing. Patrick 13:01 Jan 6, 2003 (UTC)
Exactly! The austrian alpine history can also be placed under alpine skiing.
This article needs to be synchronised and heavily cross-linked with the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skiing page.
"Telemark" is a county in Norway, and the Telemark should cover that IMHO.
"Telemark" is also a downhill skiing event with traditions from Telemark, and should have an article, I would suggest "Telemark skiing"
"Telemark" is not a synonym for "ski" YES Renebach 12:19, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
What about water skiing ?
That should be added elsewere ! Renebach 12:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
We should have one top topic (top entry topic): skiing Renebach 12:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC) as it exists already ! The topic there should be improved:
- The olympic disciplines This should be documented in more detail on the skiing page downhill, super geant , geant, slalom. I can write something, but I'd like the author(s) of the skiing page to contact me - ski-cross (4 racers against each other) - jumping - arials (twists and summersault (spell ') - dancing - ski ballet ?? making figures - freestyles (combination of jumps and moguls)
2. snowboards
- general description (style, material, ...) - olympic desciplines: slalom, pipes, ... ??
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5. water skiing
6. MISC. other definitions: ski for snow-mobiles
ski for the ski-bobs (sitting on a frame with two skis, one being connected to a handle-bar), mono-ski (two feets looking forward on one larger ski)
Egil 00:52 Jan 26, 2003 (UTC)
Since much of the material was historic, I moved it all to History of skiing, and also added a few minor articles on Sondre Norheim and Morgedal.
I've also made a page for the county [[Telemark] akin to other couties in Norway. The Telemark ski is now just that. Telemark skiing is the modern sport.
Wrt. the Telemark ski, I did not rewrite the description, but perhaps it should be rewritten to say that the Telemark ski has a "sway" or "swing" in the profile? I'm not sure what the common english term for this is. Because that is the crux.
Egil 11:26 Jan 27, 2003 (UTC)
The local slang for "Twin-slip skiing" is "freestyle skiing" or simply "freestyle". (By Local, I mean in Canada. I suspect the same slang is used across North America.) I haven't heard the term "twin-slip" until reading this page.. (which doesn't make it wrong, of course.) -g 01:22:14 Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Bigfoot and Skiboards are not skis
No offense to those who may like these things, but I don't think we can call everything that straps to your foot and slides on the snow a ski. Aside from being poorly written and lacking any citations, this paragraph just doesn't belong here. This is a page about skis, not every novel product that may resemble a ski (of which there are far more than just the bigfoot and ski board). I'd suggest creating a separate page on Variations of the Ski or Alternative Winter Sports, and restrict the content on this page to, oh I don't know... skis? Below is a copy of what I deleted. --Atomicskier 22:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
... but the article starts with "A ski is a long flat device worn on the feet designed to help the wearer slide smoothly over snow". When is a wakeboard a monoski?
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- ===Skiboards and Bigfoots ===
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Bigfoots
- Skiboards are built like tiny snowboards, typically 90-130cm in length, marketed originally as a more convenient method of skiing, but now for those who want extreme freestyle on the slope. True skiboard bindings are mounted in the center, are non-releasable, and require an ankle leash due to the absence of a braking system. Before this time period the Austrian ski company Kneissl produced a short, foot shaped ski called the Bigfoot. The Bigfoot was popular during the late 80s and early 90s. The Line ski company has manufactured skiboards since the mid 1990s and is credited with the creation of the first modern skiboard. Skiboards, when at going at high speed and on the flat bottom of the skiboard, tend to vibrate, and thus some people prefer to skiboard on the edge of the skiboard in order to decrease the vibration and have more control of the skiboard. Others, especially veterans, find the vibration to be a non issue. As with skis, the edges can still be used to decrease contact with the snow (and thus increase speed).
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- Due to their much shorter size, skiboards can be easier to learn on, and much more agile, than conventional skis. Compared with traditional skis, they can make blue trails as easy as green; make moguls a non-issue; facilitate uphill climbing; aid tricks (by being easier to turn in the air); and be carried and stored more easily.''
[edit] Carving on straight skis
The following revision keeps getting thrown in, "Straight skis can not be used to carve turns short enough to be practicaly useful for simple geometrical reason." I'd guess this was written by someone who either has never skied on a straight ski or never learned how to do it right. If you don't believe straight skis can make a tight carve, watch Glen Plake on his 218 straights ski circles around pros on shaped skis.--Atomicskier 16:18, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Carving on straight skis
Hi Atomicskier! I have been skiing straights skis for quite long time togehter with world cup racers:-) The whole idea of carving skis started with geometrical definition: Threre is no skidding if every point of the ski edge travels trough the single point on the snow surface, hope you agree! This is only possible when radius of a turn is equal to the shape of the ski edge on the snow. It is common misunderstanding that the ski will deform proportional to the force of the skier to surface. But take any ski (straight or carving) and press it flat to the flat surface (table, floor, snow) and you will learn that from the moment the ski underfoot touches the surface, it will not deform any more. The same will hapen if you press it angulated. So the deformation of the ski is not proportional to the load any more but is defined by sidecut only. The shape of the ski edge on the slope when the ski is angulated is aproximately sidecut radius * cos (angulation angle). As a result, straight ski with sidecut of 50m will carve turn with radius between 25 and 50 (60 degrees angulation) and ski with sidecut radius of 12 m will carve between 6 and 12m radius. There is a lot more stuff behind this short explanation but you can check my short comments in http://skiinghistory.org/sidecut.html. I tried to be very precise in straight ski carving definition and I hope now you understand why. If you need additional explanations or have any other questions, let me know.
Jurij Franko —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jurefr (talk • contribs) 15:36, 9 February 2007 (UTC).
