Talk:Skat (card game)
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There's also Scat singing. We probably need to merge. Is it c or k? If it's k that would be handy natural disambiguation from the, erm, other meaning of scat. -- Tarquin 15:15 Dec 29, 2002 (UTC)
- I have never seen the term skat singing before today; I think it may be a common error or a back formation to name the reggae version of the same thing. I believe that retaining the distinction between scat singing and skat, which I take to be "guitar talking", is worth keeping. Albert King and Gatemouth Brown are two more who do guitar talking. Also, Peter Frampton and that tube thing. The distinction from the perversion seems taken care of under scat. This article is in need of some markup and copy-editing as well. Ortolan88 17:45 Dec 29, 2002 (UTC)
- On further reading, this page is very confused and seems to conflate guitar scratch rhythm with mouth music, guitar talking, and scat singing, buttressed with some undigested references to various scholarly works. I hope one of our musicologists can take a look at this one. Ortolan88
Skat is also a well-known card game for three players, and many of the links to this page expect to find an article about the game. --Zundark 18:13 Dec 29, 2002 (UTC)
- Someone should make an article skat (card game) and link it. Ortolan88
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- The card game seems to be the primary meaning of "skat", so the article about it should be on this page, unless this page is going to be a disambiguation page. --Zundark 19:22 Dec 29, 2002 (UTC)
Should we move the bit about Minnie the Moocher to Scat singing? -- Tarquin 18:31 Dec 29, 2002 (UTC)
- I have a feeling that someone better informed could sort some of these two articles out, but it isn't me. Cab Calloway was unquestionably in the normal scat singing tradition\, but I am fearful that some of the learned works referenced here actually contain useful information for this article (whatever its subject might turn out to be after it is clarified), as well as for mouth music, scat singing, and perhaps others. Ortolan88 18:40 Dec 29, 2002 (UTC)
I just plunged ahead and did it. What I have done or am doing here:
- I have just written a rudimentary, to say the least, article on the card game, but with an excellent link that should enable someone who knows the game to expand the entry.
- I moved the discussion of Cab Calloway and the jazz reference and external link to the scat singing article. See Talk:Scat singing for a little more.
- I moved the quotation about "skat!skat!skat!" and the Jamaican reference and external link to the ska article.
- I will probably copy some of the stuff in ska to the mouth music article.
My apologies to the original author if I have done violence to his or her work, but as it stood this article was confusing and it was my intention to help by moving its salient parts into new locations. All complaints to me and remember, it can be reverted if you insist, but I believe it would be better to discuss it in the various talk pages. Ortolan88 04:05 Dec 30, 2002 (UTC)
- Looks fine to me. Don't fret so much, orto! -- Tarquin 12:33 Dec 30, 2002 (UTC)
Great job on the page. I have a question about the rules, which isn't clear in the text. If I play without 2 and Hand, but the Jc is in the skat, does my game become with 1 or stay without 2? -- Grubber 09:41 Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
Hey Grubber! The game becomes with one. You can read it in the International Skat and Tournament Order (http://www.skatcanada.ca/canada/forms/rules-2003.pdf). It is under 5.4.2. Klausberti 09:10, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Great, thanks! I'm going to put in a quick note to reflect it. - grubber 10:49, 2005 Jun 17 (UTC)
[edit] most popular?
Is it really the most popular game in Germany? In the northern part definatly yes, but not really in all places. Maby you could say "most popular in some regions..."
I wouldn't doubt that, but the second-most couldn't possibly Doppelkopf, could it? It must be Schafkopf for sure...
It is played all over Germany, almost everybody who plays Schafkopf does play Skat, even though Schafkopf is more popular in Bavaria. 89.54.145.210 20:26, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I come from germany and in my opinion it's the most popular card game in germany. Every time we play it in school. I have the best master one can imagine. We call him "Skat Papst" in english "Skat Pope". Sorry for my bad english, I should improve it. | by Budd(h)a Brötchen
One other thing. In te Reizen section, there must be an explanation of the +1 be added, (+1 winning the game simple, another +1 winning it Schneider, another +1 for Hand, angesagt, ouvert. I'm going to add this in the article. Also it is missing Revolution, a Null game, where the oppostion is allowed also to play open andd trade their cards. Its value is 92, if I'm not mistaken. To the tourne, that was called "Wende" in German and was still played in the 19th century, when the "Reizen" was still an option - at least according to a Skat book from the late 19th century I saw at an Antique Store in Munich a few years ago (I didn't buy it - it was too expensive).
89.54.145.210 20:26, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bidding in North American Skat
In a small portion of the southern USA it is customary for the first bidder to begin the bidding by asking the listener: "Are you ready for me to speak my words to you?" This is known as the Deaton Opener to which the listener can either reply "yes" and let the bidding commence or "no" if they need more time to examine their hand. In houses where the Deaton Opener is practiced it is considered rude to state a bid without following this tradition, akin to picking one's cards up before the dealer has finished dealing. This tradition is believed to have originated in the southeastern Jollyville Plateau of the Texas Hill Country. Watercat77 19:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
- What region is that? - grubber 20:47, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- A small part of Central Texas. It is known as the Deaton tradition. Watercat77 15:27, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
In some houses it is the practice to place a bottle cap in front of the listener. If the listener passes, then the bottle cap is then moved to the first bidder. Watercat77 17:22, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Passing Ramsch
Another variant on the Ramsch is known as Passing Ramsch. In this variation, after ramsch is declared, the listener picks up the skat and is allowed to use the contents of the skat to replace two of their own cards. The listener then passes their discard to the first bidder, who in turn replaces two of their own cards and passes on to the next bidder. The next bidder can then replace two cards. Jacks may not be discarded or passed on to other players in Passing Ramsch. This is considered a legitimate house rule, but is not part of the official skat rules.Watercat77 15:36, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
