User talk:Sjones23

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Contents 1 Welcome 2 Production staff lists 3 Re:FF articles 4 RahXephon 5 Languages 6 Bolding staff lists 7 Adoption 8 Re: FF articles #2 9 Dragonball Wiki 10 basch 11 Final Fantasy XII Story section 12 Rahxephon credits 13 Your mentioning of spoiler warnings in edit summaries 14 Adoption 15 Exceptional Newcomer 16 Invitation to Ivalice 17 Literal translations 18 Editing other users' comments

[edit] Welcome

Hello Sjones23! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I think its very important for you to browse through some of the links below so as to become familier with how Wikipedia works. If you need help you ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and another Wikipedian will show up shortly. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or by typing four tildes "~~~~"; this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you are already loving Wikipedia and plan on becoming a Wikipedian you might consider being "adopted" by a more experienced editor, just paste {{Adoptme}} into your userpage and you will be gladly adopted! Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Happy editing! frummer 01:06, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Production staff lists

Hi Sjones23,

Production staff isn't necessary to list outright within the article proper, as a full list, without any commentary or additional context, probably constitutes trivia. — TKD::Talk 20:34, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to reiterate this sentiment as well since you didn't seem to get it the first time. Axem Titanium 22:22, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Same here, I'd recommend that you go to WP:FF and discuss it on the talk page there before continuing. --PresN 22:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I got your messages. Without the commentaries or notices, I shouldn't have to add more staff members to the article.

I'm afraid you misunderstand. Placing them into the infobox does not make them any less trivial, it just clutters the infobox. Full game credits are not needed for Wikipedia. Axem Titanium 02:00, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, I agree with you, Axem Titanium. You know something? When you're right, you're right. I understand what you are saying about this. I do forgive you. Full game credits aren't needed like you said and I will try not to use full game credits.--Sjones23 02:08, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I wanted to add some important staff members and other information for Final Fantasy, but that was trivial and the infobox got cluttered up by accident when I added some more staff members and whoops, that was unnecessary information! My bad :D! Also, if I want to experiment to test my editing skills, I will experiment by using the Sandbox ^_^. I won't let you down, Axem Titanium, PresN and TKD, even if I use it. No Worries about that here ^_^. Thanks for the information and advice you gave me earlier, my friends ^_^. I do really like all of you and I am always nice to all of you ^_^.--Sjones23 03:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC).

Good luck, and happy editting. Axem Titanium 03:54, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! ^_^--Sjones23 03:57, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:FF articles

No problem. You're doing much better. I'm impressed. Axem Titanium 22:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

No problems here also and Thanks ^_^. I'm also very impressed and agree with your comment as usual.--Sjones23 22:33, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RahXephon

Hi. I see you've changed dates from the format [[January 1]] [[2000]] to [[1 January]] [[2000]]. This is not necessary. By linking dates, the mediawiki software automatically formats the date in the way that the user wants. Click on "My preferences", and you'll find a setting that shows dates in your preferred format.

If you're interested in anime, take a look at the Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga. I'll look forward to working with you. --GunnarRene 17:53, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Whoops! I was trying to fix up the dates. My bad! Thanks for the information and I am also looking forward to working with you, GunnarRene. I am interested in anime ever since I watched Pokemon, you know? Like I said, GunnarRene, I am also looking forward to working with you too. --Sjones23 18:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, you didn't actually destroy anything, but I wanted to save you unnecessary work. --GunnarRene 18:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Of course. --Sjones23 18:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Languages

Hi. What are your native languages, and how well are you versed in the other languages? I can fix your languages boxes for you if you tell me that. --GunnarRene 18:23, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I taught myself Japanese when I was younger (about 14 or 15). I am really well versed at speaking English, French, Spanish, Russian, Chinese, Italian, German and Japanese and also with several different languages.--Sjones23 18:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

They're all currently listed as your mother tongue if you read the text, so you might want to add levels to some of them. Sounds a little strange to list "basic Japanese" next to "native Japanese". (^_-) Dekimasu 04:28, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, what Japanese level are you actually? If you're that good, I'll pursue you for a better translation of the Ultimania. The Ivalice article needs a very, very, very good rehash. Bluerです。^なにか? 18:06, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bolding staff lists

Hi, I hope you're doing well. The staff list and other parts of an article should never be bolded or highlighted unless it is the actual title of the article or are highlighting character names, etc., per WP:MOS, and neither should the first letter of the proceeding word be capitalized (e.g. it should be Chief animator instead), per the above manual of style. I should note that I added the staff list myself into the article (from the Japanese interwiki), so I feel that it is necessary to be added into each related article, but unnecessarily highlighting it will lessen the overall article's feel (you will see that the highlighting is never done in any featured article nor any of the Japanese wiki entries, as it does not conform to the manual of style). Ganryuu (talk) 05:25, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I am really doing well and I am putting staff credits in most of the anime articles and I am cleaning up the staff lists per WP:MOS recently. I am looking forward to working with you, Ganryuu (talk). You wanted to save me unnecessary work as well. Thanks for the piece of advice you gave me. I will do my best. Can you help me out on some of the anime articles? If you do, that would be great. Thanks again for the piece of advice. Sjones23 00:42, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm delighted to hear that you are also adding and expanding on the staff lists; as you might have noticed, almost all anime articles on the Japanese wiki have staff sections, which can be very informative and helpful to the article, therefore I would certainly be delighted to help you on any articles you wish (^_^). Nihonjoe, a great administrator and friend, also adds staff sections to the most of the articles he creates or expands. I also wanted to make a minor self-correction, apparently you can add things such as Chief Animator or Executive Producer (but you can also use Chief animator or Executive producer as well, apparently it's a matter of choice over the manual of style) inside a particular section (say, Staff) but this shouldn't be added in the title of the section. Therefore, I greatly apologize for this, as well as not having contacted you sooner (^_^). ···巌流^{? · Talk to Ganryuu} 20:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adoption

I'm still waiting on a couple of people, but if they don't respond, I'll adopt :) — Deckiller 13:53, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Even if they do respond, Deckiller, you'll adopt :) Thanks! Sjones23 05:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: FF articles #2

Firstly, please try to keep your edits to personal talk pages down to one consecutive edit. I just had 3 different notifications come up that I had new messages on my Talk page, when there was only one new message, since each edit gives a new message if you've cleared the old one already. The Preview button and careful proofreading are your friends, please don't ignore them. Secondly, the articles already say which console the game was for, which is plenty of mention about the capabilities of the newer console. Nique talk 15:25, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

That is a good point. I will always use the preview button and remove superfluous info when necessary. What is superfluous anyway? Well, I will do my best, Nique, and Thanks. :) Sjones23 15:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

You know, I tend to "overshoot" sometimes while editing. I am usually doing excellent while editing, but I sometimes overshoot with irrelevant and redundant info, by accident usually. Thanks for contacting me sooner or later and thanks for helping me out. I get it now that "the articles already say which console the game was for, which is plenty of mention about the capabilities of the newer console." Thanks again, Nique! Good job on your editing! I will do my best as per usual while editing. :) Sjones23 16:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dragonball Wiki

• Hi there. I noticed you're a member of Wikiproject Dragonball, and I'm trying to recruit some people from that to contribute to the Dragon Ball Wiki. It's in terrible shape right now with pretty much no consistency or policies, and only this week have I been able to get Angela and Sannse to create some Forums for us over there. I've got a proposed Manual of Style going over there and would like some people to contribute to that to set up some policies and start making the wiki bigger, better, and more intelligible/consistent. If you're interested, please hop on over or talk to me. Thanks for the time, whether you're interested or not. Wildyoda 02:35, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] basch

edit: sounded a little flustered. If you had the Ultimania, you can see how they spell out Basch's surname. Yes, I know how it was suppose to sound. Good day. 私はBluerです 00:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Replied in author's talk page. --Sjones23 01:26, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry if I sounded too gruff. I'm looking forward to be working with you too. :D Belias, well, ((trying not to sound too vain) I remember when I was fighting the guy, I was actually restraining myself not to kill him too quick. We know he's a fire elemental, so Flame shields help defend from fire attacks. And leveling up, maybe above 20 (that's what I did) and using quickenings are good too. vossler's a big help on this one. :D Feels good to hear from a fellow Final Fantasy XII player, good day! 私はBluerです 05:56, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Final Fantasy XII Story section

Oh, that is a good idea. I have rewrote the whole paragraph, shortening it to half and flooding it with dialog lines from the game. You could do with a bit more expanding, and adding some pictures if you like. 私はBluerです 07:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Great! I think for the time being pictures are important. Three pictures should do it. I see featured FF articles like X and VIII have three pictures in the story section. 私はBluerです 03:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for helping Bluerfn out with the FFXII stuff. I'm still on wiki-break so I won't be able to do much for a while so keep up the good work in the meantime. Axem Titanium 20:13, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rahxephon credits

I had a look at the RahXephon article (and its related entries), and helped clean it up a little, also responding to some of the queries raised in its talk pages (in support of the addition of the production listings, etc). A staff section, such as the one in the Japanese wiki would also help greatly in improving any article's quality as well as its verifiability (I personally love adding staff sections lol). I also support the edits you've made to the article recently and so would like to commend you for helping improve them per WP:MOS-JA (^_^). ···巌流^{? · Talk to Ganryuu} 23:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your tireless efforts adding the staff section on the RahXephon article; this really helped improve its quality, very nice work (^_^). ···巌流^{? · Talk to Ganryuu} 00:20, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your mentioning of spoiler warnings in edit summaries

You have a tendency to say "spoiler warnings are not needed as per... [etc]" when you make edits recently. Unless you're removing spoiler warnings, it makes no sense at all to say "spoiler warnings are not needed". Just because you're dealing with edits to the plot section doesn't mean you have to put a mention of spoiler tags in, you know what I mean? Just describe what the changes you make are. If you're changing the wording, say "changed wording of a sentence for clarity" and leave it at that. Edit summaries are for telling other editors what you've done, not for making random, unrelated statements. Nique talk 22:07, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I was making true statements about edit summaries up to this point, Nique. Thanks for helping me out on my advice. I know what you mean when you said "just because you're dealing with edits to the plot section doesn't mean you have to put a mention of spoiler tags in". I know what you are pointing me out that edit summaries. Also, need I remind you that you were trying to save me unnecessary work. Thanks for the information, Nique! :D Regards --Sjones23 22:11, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I see you're intrested in tweaking wording. Here are examples of words that are considered taboo on Wikipedia (and usually removed when seen by copy-editors):

Prior [to]

In order [to]

A majority of (should be "most")

whilst (should be "while"

Utilize (should be "used"; this will get a lot of copy-editors going crazy)

For more information, feel free to view User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 1a. — Deckiller 22:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

• Also, it's usually a good idea to avoid nitpicking too much; the FF4 FF6, FF7, FF8, FF10, FF10-2 articles are already featured status. I recommend focusing your energy on articles that are not featured status; perhaps FF2, FFTactics, or FF12. — Deckiller 22:17, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help once again, Deckiller. I will mostly follow your recommendation, Deckiller. I sometimes overshoot on some parts. I will do my best! Thanks, best wishes and regards :D --Sjones23 22:19, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Glad to see enthusiasm :) The project needs that, as long as it's channeled correctly. The thing on Wikipedia is succinctness; the best articles are written without being too long winded and overclarifying. It's something that comes with experience on Wikipedia, as you will find out as you continue. A lot of people are cracking down on overly detailed plot summaries (which FFX and FFIV are borderline). As a general rule, however, most FAs don't require emphasis, because they've already undergone several peer reviews. If you expend the energy on topics not yet at featured status, such as referencing and expanding our GAs or B-class articles, it can go much further than minor edits on already featured articles. For instance, if you can find some reliable sources to help improve non-Featured Articles, such as strategy guides and IGN articles for Final Fantasy Tactics or Final Fantasy II, that would be extremely appreciated. — Deckiller 22:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I am also a copyeditor as well, Deckiller :). I can rearrange some parts for clarity and clarification. Thanks again for the help, Deckiller! I would be honoured to help improve non-Featured Articles and also for Good Article nominees! I might be honored to help out anyone and any article that you wish. I would improve on anything you wish :D. It is really generous of you, Deckiller :). I am proud while I am helping you out. Thanks, best wishes and regards :D --Sjones23 22:32, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey there, I understand that you are trying to help copyedit and clarify, and you are enthusiastic, which is a good thing, but some of your edits to the Final Fantasy articles are being seen as unhelpful. Now don't get discouraged, but I really suggest you looking at User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 1a and practicing the examples, it helped me out while getting Girl Scouts of the USA to FA. Good luck. Darthgriz⁹⁸ 02:43, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Although I disagree with Griz's pointing to Tony's guide (we already went through that), I do agree that you may be spending too much time on clarification of FAs instead of working on articles that need more...substantial quality boosts, such as Final Fantasy II, the XII FA push (your help is appreciated with that by everyone else, by the way), or the spinoffs. Like most WikiProjects, our goal is to get everything to GA or FA status, and then work on maintaining quality or fine tuning. As always, thanks for being enthusiastic! But my opinion is that your Wikipedia time may be better spent working on the non-GA or FA articles to get them up to standards. — Deckiller 19:20, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adoption

Hey, I saw that you were looking for adoption, would you like to be adopted by me? I can take up one more user. Darthgriz⁹⁸ 21:27, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I would be adopted gladly.

Alrighty, what kind of things do you want to work on? Darthgriz⁹⁸ 21:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I work on mostly anime, games, Star Wars (Episodes I, II, III, IV, V and VI), Star Trek and rock music groups (Queen, Metallica, Rush, etc.). I really like the staff members and personnel and how they produced the music for the games and anime series as well. --Sjones23 21:53, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

You know, Griz, I would also be honored to help work on the anime voice actors' stubs as well as music stubs that needs to be expanded. --Sjones23 22:02, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, the first thing you can do is go to the wikiprojects and look at the to do list for those articles or if there is a to do list on the talk page. That will give you an idea of how you can help out. Second, I would be careful with adding and changing prose, some of your edits seem to be being reverted a lot recently. I hope this helps, if you need more help you can ask me on here or on my talk page and I'll get back to you. Darthgriz⁹⁸ 00:10, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Good job with Studio 2b and congrats on the barnstar! Keep up the good work. Darthgriz⁹⁸ 04:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

• How's the editing going? Darthgriz⁹⁸ 01:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
  • It is going great despite some things that I do by accident, Griz --Sjones23 02:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC).
    • Well, accidents do happen, it's the best way to learn by making them and correcting them. Darthgriz⁹⁸ 02:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

How's everything going with you and how is the editing coming along, Griz? If you need help, let me know. Thanks. --Sjones23 01:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Exceptional Newcomer

		The Exceptional Newcomer Award
		You arrived, did a lot of stuff and got yelled at but you didn't give up. You just took the criticism in stride and now you're contributing more positively to the encyclopedia. While not always directed towards the right place, you have a lot of enthusiasm. At any rate, you have plenty of time to get the hang of things and find your niche. Axem Titanium 00:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, I was really flustered and did not know what to do when I first came into Wikipedia, but you helped me out, Axem :). Thanks for the award. Regards and best wishes --Sjones23 00:45, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Well said, and agreed. — Deckiller 02:04, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow, congratulations. Somehow there's a tiny bit of envy I have on you. But again, congratulations. Bluerです。^なにか? 08:11, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations. You definitely deserve this award, and your tireless and great work on expanding articles, including such essential and wonderful things as staff lists, etc. are always greatly appreciated. Best wishes! ···巌流^{? · Talk to Ganryuu} 23:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation to Ivalice

Hello. Would you like to help out with the Ivalice article? Deckiller gave some good input on ideas to improve the article. The Ivalice article needs improvement in terms of content and layout, some grammatical errors here and there, and a dire, dire need of references. Give a holler at the article's talk page some time, okay? I bet you're deep in Rogue Galaxy? I've only left Zerard for Vedan. Thanks =) Bluerです。^なにか? 09:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Responded in Bluerfn's talk page. --Sjones23 01:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello, it's me again! I have something you can help with! The Final Fantasy XII Revenant Wings article can be updated with recent updated information from the official website, and unfortunate for my desire to expand the article, my Japanese is not up to the level enabling me to translate the official material for the article. Imagine what help you could be, what with your Japanese language level and all. おねがいします。Bluerです。^なにか? 18:53, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Literal translations

A couple of your "literal" Japanese translations seem misleading to me.

• Ivalice - Here you translate 帝国 as "imperial country," but this word corresponds exactly to English "empire" as in the official translation. I think it's redundant to add a literal translation note where the existing translation is already literally correct.
• Seven Samurai - You put "Samurai of seven." Again, 七人の侍 literally means "Seven Samurai"—no further translation necessary. I went ahead and undid this one.

Care to comment? Hakanai 01:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Well I did not realize that my edits on the literal translations were a few mistakes. I know most of the Japanese. I am looking forward to working with you and I care to comment. Well, I didn't actually destroy anything, but you were fortunately trying to save me unnecessary work --Sjones23 01:44, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Heh, I didn't mean to imply you destroyed anything... sorry, didn't mean to sound critical. I don't know of a Wikipedia policy on this, but I think a good rule of thumb is to only include a literal translation where it's important for understanding something in the article or where the literal translation is significantly different. For example, in an article on Japanese language:

おはよう, ohayō - good morning (lit. formal adverb early)

In a case like this, the literal translation is useful information because the reader is trying to understand Japanese from a technical standpoint. Well, that's just my opinion... --Hakanai 08:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Editing other users' comments

From WP:VANDAL:

Modifying users' comments

Editing other users' comments to substantially change their meaning (e.g. turning someone's vote around), except when removing a personal attack (which is somewhat controversial in and of itself). Signifying that a comment is unsigned is an exception. Please also note that correcting other users' typos is discouraged.

Also, can you please archive the lengthy list? Thanks. — Deckiller 22:50, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Replied in author's talk page Sjones23 22:58, 25 March 2007 (UTC)