Talk:Sir Dystic
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[edit] Redirect to Cult of the Dead Cow?
I'm not disputing that he's someone worth noting on Wikipedia, but is there enough notable info to make a full-fledged article solely about him? --Vedek Dukat Talk 07:05, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- He's a notable guy in a notable group who's written notable software; that alone should warrant him a "full-fledged" article. It seems pretty obvious to me. Still, the article needs work, but that's no reason to turn it into a redirect. I'll look into beefing it up in the near future. --Myles Long 15:09, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- But is he noteworthy for anything other than being the author of the programs, or is there a story behind how he developed them, etc? If he's only known for the fact that he wrote those programs then a mention in the relevant articles that a member going by the alias of "Sir Dystic" authored them. --Vedek Dukat Talk 18:51, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- This is really a discussion that should be on the talk page for that article, as there are possible people who would be interested in it that aren't watching our talk pages. In fact, I'm going to move this discussion there, please reply there. Yes, there's more to his story than "he wrote some programs." Google his name, there are plenty of interviews and such with him that describe, among other things, the story behind how and why he developed them. I wonder at the motive of your singling out this article for notability, when there are many other articles on hackers, programmers, writers, musicians, etc. that are less notable than him (arguably) that have less information than presented here. --Myles Long 19:30, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- People on Wikipedia these days seem to have forgotten to assume good faith; I didn't single him out for anything, just like I wasn't representing Spanish nationalist interests when I suggested that Toledo, Spain should be at Toledo and a user from Ohio proceeded to call me disingenuous. :P I happened across the article was all. --Vedek Dukat Talk 19:56, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- Who says I didn't assume good faith? That's why I reverted your change of the article to a redirect in the first place and didn't bring it up. In the interest of good faith, reasoning for changing an article into a redirect should probably be noted on the article's talk page, but that's neither here nor there. I assumed good faith, answered your question about his notability, and said that I'd work on the article soon. Apparently, you did not assume good faith on my part (that I would do what I said and work on the article).
- Perhaps someone else would care to comment? I doubt if either Vedek Dukat or I will be changing our minds any time soon. --Myles Long 20:46, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- Lots of info has just been added. Still a stub, though, imo. --Myles Long 16:01, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- Great job, the article looks good now. For the record though, I wasn't assuming anything, just asking a question. ;) The thing about faith was directed at the bit about my motive. --Vedek Dukat Talk 18:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- People on Wikipedia these days seem to have forgotten to assume good faith; I didn't single him out for anything, just like I wasn't representing Spanish nationalist interests when I suggested that Toledo, Spain should be at Toledo and a user from Ohio proceeded to call me disingenuous. :P I happened across the article was all. --Vedek Dukat Talk 19:56, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- This is really a discussion that should be on the talk page for that article, as there are possible people who would be interested in it that aren't watching our talk pages. In fact, I'm going to move this discussion there, please reply there. Yes, there's more to his story than "he wrote some programs." Google his name, there are plenty of interviews and such with him that describe, among other things, the story behind how and why he developed them. I wonder at the motive of your singling out this article for notability, when there are many other articles on hackers, programmers, writers, musicians, etc. that are less notable than him (arguably) that have less information than presented here. --Myles Long 19:30, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- But is he noteworthy for anything other than being the author of the programs, or is there a story behind how he developed them, etc? If he's only known for the fact that he wrote those programs then a mention in the relevant articles that a member going by the alias of "Sir Dystic" authored them. --Vedek Dukat Talk 18:51, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Seeing that this article has been expanded substantially using reliable secondary sources, I think it would be best to keep it seperate as it is, not to redirect. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 16:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Keep separate–Sir Dystic has been a featured speaker at hacker conventions for years (I was there when he released SMBRelay at AtlantaCon a few years ago). He is the creator of a notable remote admin trojan horse. He is associated with a notable group. He seems notable enough to warrant a separate bio. Dick Clark 20:45, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
