Talk:Singapore Airlines fleet

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This article was nominated for deletion on January 28, 2006. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

This is stupid deleting such a Informative Article which im sure is very helpful and is a good encyclopedic reference for many people. I have found this article very interesting and I'm sure many people benifit from it. Deleting such a fine article which obviously has had a lot pf effort made by people to make would be degrading to wikipedia. Having this excels the name Wikipedia in my head and shows how good an encyclopedia can be, Iv'e even put some effort editing extra facts into it (though nothing compared to the people who originally worte it)

Please keep this article and would be a waste of human time and intelligence deleting it:(

Thankyou and I'm very impressed with the people wo worte it, Thankyou, you have made a brilliant contribution which I'm sure will be used by thousands of people in the time to come:)

Tom 11:22, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Complete List

I have to question the value of the complete listing of SQ aircraft past and present on this page when it would be simpler to have a link to the SQ entry on plane-spotters from which most of the information contained in this list is garnered. I feel the plane-spotters entry is likely to be better maintained and updated more frequently then this entry and that removing the "list" from this entry would make the entry more useful and less cluttered. skyskraper 13:00, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree, a complete list with such detailed information could become very long indeed. Instead a encyclopedic article with the history of the fleet and aircraft operations would be nice. --Oden 22:35, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

It seems like the full list of aircraft was introduced in the first version of the article: diff. It has also been suggested that the material might be copyright infringement: diff. --Oden 09:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

The person suggesting it was a copyvio would then have to point out the relevant source where information was directly lifted from, and where the source has not been indicated in the article itself. Where may this source be?--Huaiwei 10:25, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest moving the complete list into List of Singapore Airlines aircraft so that this can be a article on the fleet, right now most of it consists of a list of aircraft. --Oden 11:52, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Might be a good idea in the interim, although the original intent of this article was actually meant to be heavily rewritten and expanded, particularly the current introductory section. Most of the "notes" in the main article can then be removed, leaving a para or two plus that table.--Huaiwei 12:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

It's pretty obvious much of the information has been DIRECTLY lifted from the planespotters page [1]. I don't think that even a list of Singapore Airlines aircraft makes notability. If a fleet page is necessary (I feel most of the information can be covered in the main article fleet and history sections) inclusion of individual lists with registration and remarks etc is not worthy of inclusion imo. skyskraper 08:06, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

You are wrong. When I constructed the original list, I collated information from a range of sources, all of which were listed in the reference section at the bottom of the article. None of them reads "planespotters" to me.--Huaiwei 10:28, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

The article on Singapore Airlines is currently 35 kilobytes long, and even though there is no technical limitation anymore on article size there would be less rooom for a extensive section on the fleet in the main article (see Wikipedia:Article size) and less room to expand Wikipedia's coverage of the subject.

As for the copyright issue, the article on Copyright says:

"Copyright law covers only the particular form or manner in which ideas or information have been manifested, the "form of material expression". It is not designed or intended to cover the actual idea, concepts, facts, styles, or techniques which may be embodied in or represented by the copyright work."

A list is basically a collection of facts, like a telephone catalogue (see Feist Publications v. Rural Telephone Service and originality). However, WP:V requires that article content be verifiable, so every list requires a source. Whether or not the content is encyclopedic is a separate matter (see Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information). --Oden 09:31, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Again, you will have to show just where this list was directly lifted from, without which the copyright allegations cannot hold true.--Huaiwei 10:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

If you read my message above you will understand that a collection of facts cannot be copyrighted (e.g. a list of Presidents of the United States) since it lacks originality. However, articles need to be sourced (WP:V and WP:NOR). --Oden 11:32, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Singapore_Airlines_fleet#References clearly indicates the relevant sources used, unless you want a citation beside every single figure in the table.--Huaiwei 11:49, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Can anyone shed any light on the ambiguity of the statement "Short/Ultra long haul" listed for the range of the Airbus A340-541? Braditude 08:47, 1 April 2007 (UTC)