User talk:Simonapro

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[edit] WELCOME TO MY TALK PAGE

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[edit] Your edits of November 25, 2006

Please do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point on Cannabis. Please use an article or project's talk page to illustrate your point. Thanks! From:

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.

Chondrite 19:27, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

This is the sort of thing that is expected from less experienced users[1]. You are an experienced user, please use better discretion in the future. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 19:49, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Please dont attack Chondrite (stay out of my life..stay away from the articles I work on..) such behaviour will not be and is not tolerated at wikipedia. Please bring your specific concerns to Talk:Cannabis, SqueakBox 20:11, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Excuse me reply

Aah. I thought that might happen. Making lots of enemies of a group of users wont hellp your argument but perhaps clarifying it would. I am wikipedia experienced enough to know you cant go demanding other users dont work on articles you are working on. My experienced and well intentioned advice is dont go down this path, SqueakBox 21:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Please don't offer me any more advice. My experience is absolutely different from what you suggested. (Simonapro 06:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Your edits of November 26, 2006

Please stop. If you continue to make personal attacks on other people, you will be blocked for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Thank you. -- Chondrite 07:02, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I am reporting you and your sockpuppets to the authority here and I have also reported your actions and insults directly to the real people you have personally attempted to demonize on Wikipedia. Let's see how the Wikipedia management respond. You are a troll. (Simonapro 07:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Your threat

Chill out and dont threaten other users[2], SqueakBox 07:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] cannabis

Please explain what you are talking about as I dont have a clue. Your threats against chondrite make me think not very highly opf you as a user so pleaser change your behaviour, SqueakBox 07:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

See the edit and explain why the copyright citation, which you have now removed, is attributed to another source. (Simonapro 07:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC))

[3] Further articles that have been modified by the same user to remove the source material while insulting the author (calling him a false authority) by defacing an article about him here and then attributing his copyright work to another source material in order to pretend that the work is someone elses. As you plainly see the author is being targeted by this user. Note that the reference in the same section, Richard Rudgley (1999). The Lost Civilizations of the Stone Age, a similar source was left in tact. (Simonapro 09:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC))

Your issue seems to be with a content dispute. There is no need to accuse people of trolling, sock puppetry, being anti-wikipedian, or having a conflict of interest unless some clear evidence is available. You are making a situation which is not personal, into a personal situation. Insults and accusations will only damage your credibility. Please discuss the content not the contributors. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 16:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
If you want to continue editing I advise you to write to the admin who blocked you, apologising, and promising not to do it again. Otherwise try writing {{unblock}} on this page which you can still edit.If you can explain your content concerns we can deal with it but if you continue to attack another userwithout obvious cause it is likely that you will remain blocked indefinitely, SqueakBox 17:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Not really. Right now out of say over 1000 articles I worked on, 100 more specific ones, it only takes one person to actually try and bring down a user by harrasement in the case of removing citation, slandering the author, then attributing the copyright text to someone else, then claiming it was Small who said it, then claiming it is now a paraphrase. I was the one who use WP:CIV, WP:CITE style and kept an eye out on WP:NOR violations. A few users here who do not contribute just use wikipedia to troll users and create incivil unrest. Obviously the idea of removing Greg Green from several articles is an agenda used to create biased POVs. Since Cannabis Indica has also now been reverted to Cannabis Sativa and since the single species model is being used to an end to forward the Small agenda and given that the citation that was removed was good, and given the amount of trolling on this page to be honest most of the contributors do not deserve to have anything input into this plant given their anti-cultivator anti-breeding symantics over who thinks their own personal cannabis model is best. Bottom line is that a new user who trolled me has basically done enough damage here to maybe see that other articles go down which I worked on. Whatever. At the cup this stuff gets sorted out face to face and copyright theft is something that will come up at this years festival. Symantics and trolling plus a few Freemasons in here thrown in for good measure (God knows what the heck they have to do with the article). So congrats of the fuck up people. Whatever blows your hair back. (Simonapro 18:39, 26 November 2006 (UTC))
Ok, good luck with that, no hard fealings. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 18:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Well if you have right on your side grovel to the admins, return, and focus entirely on issues and not at all on other users. Wikipedia is itself a venue, and stuff here is as real when getting sorted as in any "real life" situation, you know that already from the indications on your user page; your attitude is losing you the argument, so again I would say change your attitude if you are really interested in winning the argument. My own experience in wikipedia has been difficult enough and you are not listening to my advice........well here you are blocked indefinitely, SqueakBox 20:01, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greg Green's copyright material has been incorrectly attributed to E. Small on Cannabis

Wikipedia Cannabis - The phrase "All known stocks of Cannabis can interbreed to produce fertile offspring, and therefore satisfy one criterion for classification as a single species." has been attributed to E. Small in Small, E., A. Cronquist (1976). "A practical and natural taxonomy for Cannabis". Taxon 25 (4): 405–435. The E. Small reference is actually false. He never made that statement in the cited source.

In order to understand why the source has been incorrectly attributed, and for what reasons, we must look to the original source of the material. The original copyright statement is from Greg Green. 2005. The Cannabis Breeder’s Bible. Green Candy Press 14. Outside of Green's copyright books it first appeared on wikipedia as the statement "All strains of Cannabis can interbreed, and produce fertile offspring, which means that all known Cannabis plants satisfy one criterion for a single species type called Cannabis sativa L." There are several statements on interfertility in that volume. Note the correct term 'strain' is used by Green whereas the version incorrectly attributed to Small uses the term stock which is not appropriate given the establishment of strains in cannabis breeding.

Recently an editor here personally decided that E. Small should be credited with Green's statement. The reason given was that because the editor believe's Green does not meet all the requirements as a valid source. The editor then removed the source and left the citation. That same editor then proceeded to edit the Greg Green article in order to delete the article. [4]. So basically the user wants Greg Green out of wikipedia. The user then attributed a paraphrase of the copyright Greg Green statement to E. Small.

Following this the editor then proceeded to systematically remove Greg Green from other articles. Here is a good example of the removal of the source again at a different article [5] while leaving other similar source material alone.

So as you can see the agenda to deliberately remove Greg Green as a source is not only anti-cannabis, anti-wikipedia, and uncivil but should be questioned in a better forum than this one. A better forum for example would be the festivals where I am sure recently publications will be under pressure to explain copyright violations where material, much like what we have witnessed here, has been basically stolen by other people and used to other ends. I am quite certain that Green would not appreciate his work being attributed to someone else anymore than a normal person would. Since users are engaged in this activity here then one can only expect that they do so in real life and probably think this is okay if they can get away with it. I believe that can be stopped very easily. (Simonapro 07:05, 27 November 2006 (UTC))

"Stocks of Cannabis from widely divergent sources have been found to be completely interfertile (Small 1972a, Davidyan 1972) and the extensive morphological intergradation of Cannabis in all regions of the world indicates lack of reproductive isolation on a geographical or ecological basis." is a direct quote from: Small, Ernest (1975). American law and the species problem in Cannabis: Science and semantics. It is worth emphasizing that Small actually performed some of the research that supports the conclusion of interfertility. The baseless allegation of misattribution is the only point I am going to address here because most of the other points are either irrelevant, or have already been discussed at Talk:Cannabis or Talk:Greg Green.
Chondrite 09:20, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


Again you have no excuse for your own personal mandate to remove Greg Green from wikipedia. Small can make all the statements he wants on one stock breeding with another or lack of isolation but he does not say that ALL strains can interbreed. It is Green who makes that the statement that ALL cannabis strains can interbreed. As you can see from your own attempt to source the material (which you can't because it is Green who is the source) states clearly that The most intensive attempt at classification of Cannabis was by Serebriakova and Sizov (1940), who recognized the genus Cannabis as composed of two species, C. sativa and C. indica. This treatment was adopted by Ceapoiu (1958), Mansfeld (1959), and Kender (1962). Hoffman (1961) recognized only one species of Cannabis and, noting Ceapoiu's adoption of the scheme (Hoffman 1970), he points out that the two "species" are completely interfertile. Not only is this model one which is absent from your edits to the article but indicates yet more scientific acceptance of the multiple species model. It is Green who makes the statement not E. Small. E. Small is not Mansfeld, Kender or Hoffman. Greg Green owns the statement, not you or Small. Your failed attempt to have Greg Green's article removed was not only anti-canabis, anti-wikipedia and uncivil but shows your agenda has been to remove Greg Green's references from wikipedia to push your own agenda. Cannabis supporters the world over would be shocked to think anyone who has any experience in the field would try to lance that guy for the effort he put in. Most of the breeding material you introduced has been much better presented back in early 2005. Shame on you, really and truly. Disgruntled efforts like that agenda attempt to ruin wikipedia and the cannabis community in general. I can only think that you are of the mindset that it is acceptable to copy others work and attribute it to someone else. Like I said, copyright easily solves it at the festivals. (Simonapro 09:30, 27 November 2006 (UTC))
As you can see the editor is attempting to have the Greg Green article removed again after their last failure. [6]. This is laughable at best. What a load of anti-cannabis hogwash. Like I said my next move will be to tell the user that I like girls and breakfast so that he becomes gay and never eats bacon again. Get a life. (Simonapro 10:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC))
That doesn't even make sense. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 04:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sockpuppetry case

You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Simonapro for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. Chondrite 16:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

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