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Contents 1 Various concerns 2 No couch gag in infobox 3 Minor change to similar plots section 4 Eighth episode? 5 No title sequence 6 Missing ref 7 GA Review 8 First appearances

[edit] Various concerns

Under the heading of Trivia on this page, there is a line that says "Next door to the tattoo parlor is Dr. Sitsofsky Dermatology Clinic. A sign in the window reads, "Tattoos removed by laser"." I have examined my Region 4 (Australian) Season 1 box set DVD copy, and have not been able to locate this reference. Does it actually exist? Is my DVD missing something?

Spq 01:11, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I remember this gag being used in an episode of the simpsons, but i don't know if it was this episode. User:Wikiwarlock

Why is the Trivia section filled with pointers like, "Marge hides the jar of money in her hair"? Why is this all considered Trivia?

I totally agree, this article is filled with so much crap its unbelievable. I'd delete it all but we'd only be left with about five lines (and I also want to go to bed).--Santahul 00:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

This line, "The series was originally planned to premier in the fall of 1989, but due to major problems with the animation of "Some Enchanted Evening", it instead began mid-season 1990 with this episode.", is confusing, and I am considering rewriting it. The last part of the line, "...it instead began mid-season 1990 with this episode.", seems to refer to "it" the series. I think the line should instead say, "The series was originally planned to premier in the fall of 1989, but due to major problems with the animation of "Some Enchanted Evening" which aired mid season in May 1990, the series instead started in December 1989 with this episode." --Trickse 17:25, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I edited the line since there was no disagrement regarding the verbage. --Trickse 19:56, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No couch gag in infobox

Could somebody please add a couch gag to the info box ? Animereadabouter2 20:27, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

The reason is there is no couch gag --JAL 200 15:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Minor change to similar plots section

In the movie Christmas Vacation; Clark does actually get a "bonus". Though he had been anxious about it's tardiness, on Christmas eve he is notified of his membership in a monthly jam and jelly club. Cousin Eddie:"Thats the gift that keeps on givin, all year round Clark." Anynobody 07:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eighth episode?

Can somebody please clarify what it means by "eighth episode produced". Was it the first one broadcast but eighth with regards to the order the studio made them or what? It's just that I click the link to season one and it confirms that this is the first episode in the season. It all seems a little confusing.--Santahul 00:18, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No title sequence

Some mention should be made that there is no opening title sequence (hence no blackboard, sax or couch gag). RoyBatty42 21:23, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Missing ref

Just wanted you to know.--Rmky87 18:07, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Where? -- Scorpion 20:03, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is well written.

   a (prose): b (structure): c (MoS): d (jargon):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (inline citations): c (reliable): d (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   a (fair representation): b (all significant views):

5. It is stable.

   

6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.

   a (tagged and captioned): b (lack of images does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):

7. Overall:

   a Pass/Fail:

I am currently putting the article on hold, and I will pass it as soon as the following concerns are addressed:

• 1 (b) Structure:

1. With encouragement from Bart Homer decides to gamble his paycheck and takes Bart with him to the dog track. --- Needs some punctuation to be legible.
2. Although Barney has told them to bet on a dog named Whirlwind, Homer decides to bet on a dog named Santa's Little Helper. It should be made clear why he changes his mind. It's not only the name of the dog, it's because the odds of him winning are 99:1 or something, and Homer believes that this is a sure bet. (Something like that, right?)
3. ...merry christmas. Christmas should be capitalized.
4. ...Matt Groenings experience in the second grade when he... Missing apostrophe on "Groenings".

• 2 (a) References:

1. You should cite airdate in lead, as it is cited in the infobox. I'm a sucker for citations. If I see a sentence that might not be true (such as the exact airdate of a television show), I want the citation right in front of my face.
2. Fox was very nervous about the show because they were unsure that they could sustain the audiences attention for the duration of the episode. This needs a citation as well. How do you know that Fox was nervous?

Address the concerns and post a message here that you have done so. I will pass the article without reservation at that point. Good luck! =) –King Bee ^{(T • C)} 18:00, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

• • Done and done. Thanks for the help. -- Scorpion 18:12, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I have passed the article. Good job! –King Bee ^{(T • C)} 18:47, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First appearances

Shouldn't everyone who appears in this episode be considered to making their first appearance. Are the Tracy Ullman shorts considered canon? Lenzar 22:20, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if they are canon or not, the important thing is that this episode is not the first televised appearance of the Simpson family, which is why they aren't included. -- Scorpion 22:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)