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Please leave all arguments about SP's genre here. -- Ian Lee 03:01, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Who gives a crap about Patrick Landis?

Seems like petty promotion considering the guy is NOT in the band, doesn't produce their albums, or really do anything except being friends with the band. Kind of petty and a waste of good space, right? I mean, these guys are hated enough for being complete tools of the music industry without any real indentification of genre's (they're about as Punk as Mozart) but that aside, I just think it's a personal kudos to have their Webmaster and Merchandiser listed on the page. Not to mention incredibly tacky! Since we allllll love comparisons (i'm already guilty of a few) that's like listing Tom Petty's roadies on his page with little Playboy-esque bios!

Conflict of interest disclosure here, since I know the band and Langlois. But he is the public face of the band in many ways, and gets more publicity and fan attention than one or two members of the band, judging by fan posts on SPO, the main fan site. No one is proposing putting in the names of their techs and roadies. But sometimes you get a case where a non band member is significant. I do not, however, think Langlois is notable to the point of getting his own article, though he did tell me that he had an article about himself in some French language newspaper. I haven't bothered to look, though.--Wehwalt 11:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Also... please sign your posts. I have a question: how come when I sign my posts with the four tildas, I dont get a link to my userpage like most other people? (I know this doesn't belong here, and I'll hapily strike this out after my question is answered.) Ian Lee 23:19, 11 February 2007)
Nevermind... I found out on my own... Ian Lee 00:25, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Criticisms

Let's run this by you guys, feedback and POV editing please... I was blocked by some foaming-at-the-mouth Simple Plan fan for editing this in after he took it out. broke 3RR he says. anyways, let's get some consensus. please verify:

Although Simple Plan maintains a devoted following and has produced two multiplatinum records with numerous hit singles, it remains one of the most bashed rock groups of recent time. The band is particularly hounded by devoted fans of the punk movement, and is frequently accused of being a pop-punk band although they describe themselves otherwise. Moreover, the juvenile subject matter of their work prompts further accusations due to the fact that its members are approaching their 30s. Many identify Simple Plan as evidence of the shameless corporatization of rock and roll music in the relentless efforts of record companies to exploit every possible commercial demographic. Nevertheless, the members of Simple Plan have stated quite clearly that they enjoy the backlash of critics, as they believe in the old adage, "all publicity is good publicity," and they will never stop doing what they love.www.sonicbreakdown.com/artistDetails.do?selectedArtistId=16039 In addition, the group continues to enjoy considerable mainstream success, as evidence by the aforementioned record sales.

  • I have reverted the page after the vandalism... (again). I think its obvious that this page needs a criticisms section. the page is hit by vandals every fucking week

I personally think that it depends on what song you're talking about. Although none of their songs are pure punk, some of them or more pop than others, but not pure pop (cause eww). Even though they do suck other mens "parts" ~Melissa

[edit] Pictures?

Why are people always deleating the pictures of Simple Plan? before there was a picture & now there isnt. >:/

  • Because no one bothers to include source information for the photos. No source information = deleted. android79 12:13, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
  • The most recent photo has source info; I've tagged it as a fair-use {{promophoto}}. I think that will suffice, though I'm no expert. android79 15:36, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Is that the picture I added? Stoyce

[edit] Individual Band Members

The articles on the individual band members (Charles Comeau, Pierre Bouvier, Jeff Stinco, David Desrosiers, and Sebastien Lefebvre) are largely redundant with one another and some contain quite trivial information (favorite colors, etc.) that sounds rather fannish. I plan to merge and redirect all of those articles into this one and excise the trivial stuff. Sebastien Lefebvre is on VfD currently and I will wait until that discussion closes to perform the redirect of that article (assuming the consensus is to merge). android↔talk 02:39, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Heart removing....

It's ok to remove those awkward hearts? I think they don't fit with the Wikipedia look... and they're unnecessary... --Greedy 21:40, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

They're gone. Embarrassing; it made the article look as though it was written by a fifteen-year old girl with a crush on the band. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:34, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Horizontal rule

The horizontal rule is hideous and should remain deleted. I have never seen a disambig notice at the top of an article with a horizontal rule. Please do not "rollback" my removal of it as if it were vandalism. Taco Deposit | Talk-o to Taco 11:37, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

  1. I give reasons for my reverts when a reason is given for the original edit. Why you associate the rollback with vandalism I've no idea
    I associate the rollback with vandalism because the purpose of the rollback is to combat vandalism, and it is inappropriate to use it to revert edits you simply disagree with. I believe this is common practice on Wikipedia. See here, here and here for examples of others who state this. Taco Deposit | Talk-o to Taco 22:25, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
  2. The claim that it looks hideous is at best exaggerated; it's certainly a matter of taste. It can be seen on many articles, and no-one else seems to share your aesthetic response.
    I believe plenty of people share my aesthetic response, but since Simple Plan is the only article I follow where you insist on doing this, I won't press the issue further. If I notice you adding the hr to the disambig notices in a large number of articles, or to a template such as Template:For, then I will press the issue at that time. Taco Deposit | Talk-o to Taco 22:25, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
  3. The rule serves a useful purpose in keeping the disambiguation notice clearly separated from the article, to which it is irrelevant. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 17:29, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Personally, I like the horizontal rule, but Template:For is used on about 50 pages, and it has no horizontal rule. It would look like the following on this article:

For the 1993 novel and 1998 film, see A Simple Plan.

This should probably be discussed at the template's talk page, as consistency is a good thing in disambig notices, no? AиDя01DTALKEMAIL 17:47, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

It looks like Mel has posted there. We'll see what people think. Taco Deposit | Talk-o to Taco 22:25, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
It was pointed out (perfectly correctly) that, if the line is made part of the template, then double uses will end up separated by the line, which would be a Bad Thing. There's no objection to following it with a horizontal line, it just can't be done in the template. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:37, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Individual band members redux

Once again, we do not need articles on the individual band members, especially if they include such trivia as each members' favorite color. This is an encyclopedia, not a teen magazine. android79 01:56, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

punk rock

[edit] english

ok now i want to know why their english is so good. being both from montreal, why does Gilles Duceppe have a much heavier accent in comparison to simple plan?

Yeah, Simple Plan has toured all over America so they have to have good english, and when you grow up in Montreal, you learn english and french. Did you know some of their songs are sung (and recorded) in french too?

Actually, none of SP's songs are in French. When they tour in French speaking areas, they talk to the crowd in French.

As for their English, most of them went to a private high school in Montreal which is fairly bilingual in teaching. David Desrosiers is the exception to that, and his English isn't as good as the others, as he grew up near Gaspe.Wehwalt 22:14, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah most Quebecers know english and french as well as a lot of Ontarians in the vicinity of Quebec.

I happen to go to a lot of the band's shows, and I assure you, Quebeckers outside the major cities, and away from the US or Ontario border, are not fluent in English. When SP played Chicoutimi and Rimouski, almost no one spoke any English--Chuck Comeau commented on it in an interview, in fact.--Wehwalt 10:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


Actually if you listen really close David and Chuck from Simple Plan have a thick frnech accent. There's alot of english words that David doesn't know. You just have to listen really closely

[edit] Criticisms section

This article needs one. Simple Plan is one of of the most bashed bands in recent history, as you could see by the constant vandalism. Carolaman 03:22, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

The section about criticism of the band isn't very accurate. Their most recent album was not "critically panned" - it received "generally positive" reviews according to Metacritic, a website that combines reviews and scores from leading critics and publications:

www.metacritic.com/music/artists/simpleplan/stillnotgettingany

There are a couple of negative reviews out there, but this is hardly a hated group.

Hardly a hated group? Hell no. They're despised. --Switch 05:23, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I don't know if this is necessary, but on Last.fm, Simple Plan is the artist with the most tags for: "officially shit"--I'm neutral and don't hate nor like the band, I'm just saying that this could be added to the criticism section if needed. http://www.last.fm/tag/officially%20shit

Please note most of the bashing is by the american crowd.

Why? I am canadian and I hate simple plan just as much - if not more - than all the americans. Country of origin has little to do with musical preferance. Cameronrobson 01:43, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

They give Canada a REALLY bad name for music... and it's not just americans that bash them to, it's most candaians.

[edit] Discography Charting

Those chart numbers are pretty whack. According to Billboard.com, "Addicted" made it to #45, "Welcome to My Life" hit #40, "Untitled" reached #49, and "Shut Up" only charted at #99. "Crazy" and "I'm Just a Kid" never charted on the Hot 100, and there's definitely no position #261. The only correct one listed is "I'd Do Anything" at #51. Maybe these are positions from the Modern Rock charts or some other chart, but they shouldn't be listed as they currently are. Anyone else agree?

Anyway, I trust Billboard, so I'm gonna go ahead and make the change. Especially as "Crazy" has gotten very little airplay around here and I really doubt that it ever reached #7.
I found out where most of those incorrect numbers are from ... ARC Top 40. If someone wants to list those numbers they can as long as they make that distinction. Still, though, "Crazy" only hit #33 on ARC, so where that #7 came from I'm still not sure.
  • EDIT* I didnt know where else to put this but I signed up the SP mailing list and just recieved an email saying thier going back in studios soon so if someone could edit the discography to something like, Untitled Album (2007)

Yes Simple Plan has been in the studio for the third time and they are using Bob Rock again.They've been in since about Febuary and the new record should be out in the spring of 2007.There has been10-11 songs recorded.

[edit] Propose block

Virtually every day, I or some other user must spend time reverting this article. Therefore, I'd like (I'm not sure on the procedure) to propose that this article not be allowed to be edited by new or unregistered users.--Wehwalt 18:23, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I posted a request for semi-page protection at WP:RPP. GilliamJF 18:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, they turned us down. Guess we will just have to stay on the ball.--Wehwalt 18:59, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
people need to learn that just because they made it said something, doesnt mean that it is true. for clarification, please see the "Elephant" talk page.Jds10912 17:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

there is always vandalism from peeps who hate simple plan :( 144.137.190.12 07:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


Well... Simple Plan didnt ask for you guys to like them therefore you dont have to even look them up on the net or listen to them.So why bother?Simple Plan are not Punk and they are not Emo if you have there albums you will see that it says rock or pop/rock or punk/rock sooo stop with saying they are punk.And it doesnt mean they are punk they are a rock or pop version of punk..they are not pop.And honestly if you hate SP why would you be searching them?I dont hate them..they are actually my favourite band and have been for almost more then 4 years and i repect other peoples opinions in music just stop critising them.THEY MAKE THEIR MUSIC FOR PEOPLE WHO LOVE THEM AND ARE FANS LIKE ME :D

^ I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that this was written by an 11 year old girl. They own that demographic by the looks of it.

[edit] Trivia

Simple Plan's songs 'Welcome To My Life', 'Untitled (How Could This Happen To Me)' and 'When I'm With You' can be heard in three episodes of the television show Smallville

Look, why don't we move all the TV appearances of their songs to a new subsection, say 5.5, and renumber the existing 5.5 as 5.6?--Wehwalt 17:47, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to take an axe and cut back on the trivia section soon. This is not a fan site.--Wehwalt 16:08, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, in the item regarding David Desrosiers dating "ME", who is ME? An item that vague should be removed, unless someone can expand upon it and/or cite a source.

I cut it. It is obviously teenage fantasy. We get those a lot here. That one must have slipped through. I intend to follow the tag's advice and cut the trivia section entirely, integrating anything worthwhile into the article, when I get a chance.--Wehwalt 09:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What Criticism?

I guess they are criticized for being commercial? The main article just says that they are criticized, but no specifics. If that can't be improved, maybe the whole criticism section should be deleted

I deleted the specific criticisms because they were unsourced and violated WP:WEASEL. --Wehwalt 19:08, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discography

Just got an email from thier mailing list saying thier going back in to studios soon so if the guy who made this article could add Untitled Album (2007) to the discography that would be nice.

It is referenced in the article that the 3rd CD is being prepared. Until there is an official announcement that the CD is done and will be released, let us leave it at that. They've been very slow on this one. Remember, this CD was originally supposed to come out in the late spring or summer of 2006. Much as I love the band, I hate to put up stuff that may not turn out to be accurate.--Wehwalt 14:55, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] block

I'd suggest a temporary block be put on this page...vandals are sneaking stuff in here constantly. JesseZinVT 15:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

There is some disgusting stuff they've put in there. I agree, a block and cleanup is nescessary.

I do some of the reverting, but I don't see what good a block will really do. It will have to come off sooner or later. We've had blocks in the past, they haven't helped. I suggest we just roll up our sleeves and keep reverting.Wehwalt 14:51, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] simple plan

i think SP is the best band in this world —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 222.124.93.80 (talk) 05:54, 28 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Man Of The Hour

Since it's an actual band with an actual release we should split it off into it's own article. I'm trying to do some research about it so that I can make one but they don't have much to work with. Is it even worth it? Of course this wll probably get lost within all of the topics like if Simple Plan is emo.... good god... DarkAvenger280 05:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Assuming it is a real band (I have never actually heard the EP), the band would fail WP:NOT. Let us face it. The podcasts are listened to by SP fans and by no one else. If Man of the Hour was by Jean Deaux and his buddy (John Doe, in other words), it would be trivial. As MOTH does not have a huge amount of info to put in an article, the project derives from SP, and has very little life of its own, and the casual reader interested in SP would expect to find it here, let us leave it here. If Seb has his article, put a mention in it there too. I doubt if Patrick has his own article (it would be interesting to see if an article on him would survive AfD).--Wehwalt 11:41, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Still Not Getting Any...

I remember reading that Still Not Getting Any... went double platinum. I'm not that sure though. Can someone find a source, or at least verify this? — Ian Lee (Talk|contribs) 23:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

SNGA is not double platinum in the US as of 2007, March 11th, according to the RIAA database : [1]. I don't know about certification in other countries. --Kitiara99 21:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] simple plan rules

i looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooovvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee simple plan —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dodsworth falconslayer (talk • contribs) 19:11, 15 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Another Album?

Does Simple Plan plan to publish a new album? when? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.138.1.172 (talk) 12:28, 28 March 2007 (UTC).

The band has announced that the CD should be released this year. Specifics are scarce. It looks like they are planning the recording stage, judging by Pierre's blog, but they still have some writing to do. Probably in the fall. And keep in mind, this area is not for the purpose of discussing the bnd, but discussing improvements to the article.--Wehwalt 17:45, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Not good

Stop saying simple plan rules. Go to there chat sites with there grade 8 fans and comment there. This is NOT a page to post your opioin about simple plan if it does not contriubute to the article. (70.51.87.56 01:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC))

And neither is this the place to create new topics just to tell people that. — Ian Lee (Talk - Contribs - Sign - Gimme!) 05:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
And judging by your educated use of "there grade 8 fans" and "opioin", may I assume that Grade 8 is not something you will have to worry about for quite some time? I agree, the Talk Page has a specific function, but I generally cut people some slack.--Wehwalt 09:57, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
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