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[edit] Serenity merge

I propose merging Queen Serenity into this article. They're intricately tied to eachother, and a lot of the info in the two articles is redundant. Combining them would result in better coverage of both.

This seems noncontroversial, since it's similar to the villain merges, but I'll give it a few days. If no one objects, I'll make the merge on Tuesday, September 12. --Masamage 23:31, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

PS: Unless someone can give me a reference for the name "The Mark of the Silver Millennium," I'm going to remove it at the same time I merge in Queen Serenity. I'll leave the information about the forehead symbol, but if the title doesn't come from somewhere canonical it needs to go. --Masamage 08:02, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Done and done. Lots of new stuff, too! Hooray for The Oracle~ -Masamage 09:06, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Princess Merge

shouldnt the princess artical be merged with this?~~

Yes yes it should, Since its at your page now Masmage, We kinda need your permission to go and move it. Lego3400: The Sage of Time 02:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Definitely not a straigt-over merge, just an integration of some of the info. I'll get to it after finals. --Masamage 21:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image

On the Page for the Odango hair Style they have this picture of Queen Serenity I was wonder if we should flag that one for delaton and put the one we have there (the one were useing to show the mark on her head) or vise versa. Also that image shows that the mark on her forhead is actually a head band/ Crown, not a mark like we thought. --Lego3400: The Sage of Time 02:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Ask them, I guess. Or maybe the odango article is in our scope? But it's really weird that it's an article about the hairstyle rather than the food. It probably needs to be rewritten... --Masamage 21:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
That's kind of strange... I don't recall her wearing any type of tiara in the anime... -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 08:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, looking through some pics of her, I see that she did have some jewels on her forehead. But, seeing as how Princess Serenity does not have them and that Chibiusa inherited the crest, it is part of her, and not an accessory. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 08:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
The PGSM costumers used a little metal/plastic thing rather than face paint, so it might have been an accessory there. Or it might not. X) --Masamage 16:28, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Remember though: The moon mark only appeared on Venus as part of the disgusise, and on Moon and Chibi Moon after they acquired the Ginzoushou, thus marking and marking them as senshi. The queen wasn't a senshi and wears a decorative crescent. Lego3400: The Sage of Time 19:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Chibiusa shows the crescent scant episodes after she first appears, long before she becomes a Senshi or gets her hands on the Ginzuishou. --Masamage 01:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
It had been absorbed into her body before she appeared and then appears near the end of R.Lego3400: The Sage of Time 02:59, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
...And it's debatable whether Neo-Queen Serenity (who also has the crest) is still a Senshi. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 02:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Anyways back on topic... Should we swap one of the images or leave them as is?Lego3400: The Sage of Time 03:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

The pic on the hair style page shows more of Queen Serenity's odango, which it what the pic is used to represent. Our page is about the Silver Millennium and shows more of the queen and less of her hair because the article is not about odango. I think they are both fine where they are at. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 08:42, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Time Period?

I thought that in the Manga the Silver Millenium was the name of the kingdom itself, and it was only a time period in the dub and possibly in the anime. Isn't there a line where someone is talking to Sailor Moon about inheriting her kingdom and refers to it directly as the Silver Millenium? Jupiterzguy 04:26, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. You're right, and I see that the article is confusingly worded at the moment. I'll edit it myself when I get the chance; if someone else wants to give it a whack before then, feel free! -Masamage 04:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Something to note when we edit: Silver Millennium is the term applied to both the Moon Kingdom and Crystal Tokyo. --Masamage 05:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Since the first attempt at change got reverted (presumably due to the removal of the Mare Serenitatis bit), I gave it another try and worked all this in. Seems to have gone okay. --Masamage 06:58, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I took a very wild stab at editing, but you did it better anyway. Anyway, I thought Crystal Tokyo was referred to as a new Silver Millennium, ie it is a kingdom like Silver Millenium was but is not actually that kingdom.

okay, ignore all that stuff I just said. This "According to the Sailor Moon R series, a second Silver Millennium is built on Earth some time during the 20th century, this time known specifically as Crystal Tokyo." Is good enough for me. Just didn't notice.Jupiterzguy 16:24, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Should the siver crystal be murged with this because the silver crystal is needed to create both the Moon Kingdom and Crystal Tokyo and keep all the pepole alive for ever (btw Is that how they survived on the moon with no air?) ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 18:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it might be a good idea to merge it here. It also might be good to merge it with Sailor Crystal, so let's talk about it at Talk:Silver Crystal. --Masamage 19:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Contents of old Silver Crystal talk page

Historical note: The Silver Crystal article was rated stub-class on the WP:Anime scale.

[edit] Versions

The Mystical Silver Crystal works differently depending on which version of Sailormoon we're talking about. I'm only experienced in the Japanese anime, so I need someone with more general knowledge to complete the page. Danny Lilithborne 21:28, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

its a bit diffrent in the dub only Queen Serenity died the rest only lost energy and it wasnt wakend after the fight with beryl and it didnt revive the senshi after the dd girls killed them because the wher kidnapt and some lines sayd that beryl and death phantom where only banished useing the silver crystal but charcters also sayd they died Sailor cuteness 17:30, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I added manga info, moved and arranged the info so it's manga first, then anime. I listed the differences under the anime. If anyone wants to add to it, I would do it. This article, if it's to be merged should be formatted after the merger. Sailor Crystal merger is looking like a good option, if it gets merged into the Sailor Senshi page then the Sailor Crystal should be changed to "crystals" because the Ginzuishou is technically not a Sailor Crysal, nor are the starseeds. Starseeds are more SM lore than anything related to the Senshi. Oh, and PGSM should be listed and also a picture of each version of said crystal. --Hitsuji Kinno 18:01, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

"It can take on a round, diamond, or lotus shape." Doesn't it take on a Star and Heart shape when in the Brooches?Lego3400: The Sage of Time 21:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Good catch. Adding it. --Masamage 00:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Also in all but Sailor Moon's second brooch, its red (in the anime) which is odd considering its called "The silver Crystal" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sailor cuteness (talk • contribs).

Most of the transformations reveal her various brooches opening up to reveal the crystal inside. It's always silver. --Masamage 21:31, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article name

As far as I know, the literal translation of Maboroshi no Ginzuishou is "Illusion Silver Crystal." Should we rename this article to that, to "Silver Crystal (Sailor Moon)," or to something else? I don't think it should stay the way it is. --Masamage 22:12, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I've just learned that "Phantom," at least, is just as legitimate a translation of maboroshi as "Illusion" (still no idea about "Mystical"), so here's a more specific proposal. What say we move the article to Silver Crystal? That lets us escape using a specific translation, it requires no disambiguation (it's currently a redirect to this page), it covers both the Illustion Silver Crystal and the Silver Moon Crystal, and the thing is frequently referred to in the series as just the Ginzuishou anyway. What does everyone think? --Masamage 00:41, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree with this. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 00:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Sounds like a plan. Danny Lilithborne 00:50, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
'Kay. I'll move it now; if someone disagrees, it's easily reverted and we can keep discussing. --Masamage 21:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] rainbow crystals

should the rainbow crystals be mentiond in here or should i or someone elce make a seprate page for them if i do it will look alfull because i cant spell lolz it mite need mega editing lolz Sailor cuteness 22:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

That's a good idea. I think they should certainly be mentioned here. --Masamage 23:25, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
As well as the seven individuals who were born with them? -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 02:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

yer il use my dvds to get both names Sailor cuteness 11:02, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible merging

Should this article, given how short it is, be merged with something else? Perhaps Silver Millennium or Sailor Crystal? --Masamage 19:56, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that masamage idear to murge with Sailor Crystal is better idear then that dummys idear to murge with Moon kingdom lolz because it is a star seed and the silver mellenum only use it as a item ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 20:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
It only becomes a Sailor Crystal later, is the thing. It was only at item in the Moon Kingdom; Princess Serenity was never supposed to be a Senshi, but because she became one, the Ginzuishou evolves into a Sailor Crystal for her. --Masamage 20:07, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
what about merging with usagi because its hers and all forms are used by her (apart from pink moon crystal) ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 20:31, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Hmm. I mainly don't think that's a good idea because of how connected it is with the Moon Kingdom and with the original Queen... --Masamage 20:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I completly forgot about her poor Queen Serenty. Was the silver crystal created in the Moon Kingdom? because then it should be merged with it ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 20:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
It was definitely the source of the Moon Kingdom's power, just like it's the source of Crystal's Tokyo's power. So yeah, Silver Millennium is a pretty reasonable merge. --Masamage 20:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
whoo the dummy was right to sugest the merge to silver millennium ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 21:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Iv did a merge on my sand box dose it look good? Silver Crystal merg ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 21:37, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure it will work; for now the thing to do is put it on the WikiProject page and give the idea few days so people can discuss it. No hurry. --Masamage 21:08, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I made a slight edit to your sandbox version EP. I made all the stuff about the Silver crystal sub sections. Just for orginazaion purposes.--Lego3400: The Sage of Time 17:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

cool ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 17:05, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

should we start the murge soon? ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 11:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Give it a few more days for etiquette's sake. I'll put up a notice that if no one disapproves by Friday, March 9th we'll move forward. --Masamage 18:14, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How the Crystal Works in the Manga

Should this be added? It was explicitly stated in the manga. It's thinner ice on the anime side. Also the Live Action should be mentioned (and anything related to other versions, such as Musicals, etc) --Hitsuji Kinno 16:48, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Aren't there already sections for those? --Masamage 17:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
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