User talk:Sijo Ripa

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[edit] NATO and Croatia

I do not agree with you writing about Croatia and NATO. Because I do not want that we start making revert of revert lets agree on our discussion page. You have writen that part of text on article of which I have given link but because of that you do not know all truth. Croatians has after end of war in 1995 always been against NATO because we are angry why you have not helped us. Before Iraq war popular support for NATO has never been greater of 42 %. Now in 2007 popular saying is why will our soldiers go to death for american oil when they have not helped us in our war for freedom and popular support is 29 %. If you read very good article for which you are having link you will see that they have not tell that we have been always against NATO but only that support has droped after Iraq war. This is 1 sort of propaganda very popular on CNN (and similar places) in which they tell only truth but in the end people start to think what they want (in this situation that Croatians has been for NATO until Iraq war). Last point about that is that United Kingdom is must hated country in Croatia from 1991 so any form of military alliance between us and them is ......

Propaganda:

In agreement with NATO Croatia government will start:

Communications and public relation experts tasked with developing the new strategy have decided to call on public figures, celebrities and Croatian music and movie stars to join the effort and promote the advantages of NATO membership. Prominent Croatians will speak publicly about this issue, make promotional videos and TV commercials to demonstrate membership benefits. This strategy is being discussed and is to be finalised at the beginning of next year.

Please tell me if this is propaganda or not. In answering please look this part of text about propaganda which is writen on wikipedia:

The propagandist seeks to change the way people understand an issue or situation for the purpose of changing their actions and expectations in ways that are desirable to the interest group.

All in all I want to say that I will return word propaganda in part of text about Croatia and NATO. For our discussion because I think you support NATO can you tell me benefits of NATO membership for any small state ? Rjecina 2:43, 20 Feb 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Croatia

First I must tell you that I will look today for sources of NATO popularity (if it is possible on english) in Croatia but I think that we will have problem. Our problem is history. Between 1948 - 1991 Croatia has been neutral inside Yugoslavia. When all ex communist states has started to go toward NATO we have war and after that (in 1995-2000) Croatia has been under western isolation because of autocratic government !(source for that Britannica 2002). If we have been under isolation then NATO has not been popular because government has spoken against NATO (Logic :you do not want us, we do not want you). If popularity of NATO has gone up between 2000-2001 all has gone away with wars in Afganistan and Iraq (for that other you have source from before). All in all.... Rjecina 16:44, 22 Feb 2007 (UTC)

Look what I have writen on Razgovor sa suradnikom:Rjecina/NATO propaganda. Tell me your thinking ? Rjecina 21:20, 22 Feb 2007 (CET)
I know what you think but I want to find way to write that govermnet of Croatia is starting benefits of NATO campaing with that 7 points to change public opinion (which is propaganda) and then attack this points. It is ease to find NGO which are against entering in NATO, but I will work on article in finding texts why this argument will not pass in people. All in all even wikipedia is full of propaganda because what Goebels has been saying if you say not truth 100 times this will become truth. For me it has been great surprise when I have read in The Economist (january 2007) that for every Israelis killed they have killed 7 Palestinians (this is only rate of killing). Speaking about other things I have been thinking that you maybe know serbian-croatian language because your user name is very similar to 1 carton person of Disney ! Rjecina 22:10, 22 Feb 2007 (CET)

I think that you will not have anything against I have added today. Rjecina 22:30, 24 Feb 2007 (CET)

About popular thinking in Croatia about Ante Gotovina you are having on english wikipedia enough. Simple it is not possible that organization (NATO and EU) which demand "hero" arrest is having great support when 60 % of population think that he is not guilty !! I think that this is clear ? For benefits of Croatia entry to NATO I have writen link in which I will write "benefits" which has been published in Croatia media (you have seen that). This points our out of discussion (they will be writen). Rjecina 23:25, 24 Feb 2007.
More or less I have finished text with 5 different sources about "benefits" for Croatia entry to NATO. In article I do not speak about propaganda and text is not content forking because I will not create new article similar to yours but this will be article about what think Croatia government that are benefits for entry to NATO. In article will be sources which speak that this benefits are only propaganda because they have been speaking different few years ago. I am before and after everything for democracy but I see this very rarely in NATO. Of all new NATO members (in last 10 years) in only 2 e has been referendum. If NATO protect democracy why he is so against it ??

Last point for now. Around 15 years ago my in my city has been muslim suicide terrorist attack on police station. This has happen because we have arrested muslim cleric (on demand from west) which has been passing on Croatia territory (he has not done anything against Croatia). In my city you will very hard find somebody who support entry of Croatia in war on terror. Our very important politican (spiritual father of state) has been saying long ago that when great power fight small must hide under table :))Rjecina 7:10, 25 Feb 2007. (CET)

Only to tell you I give up because even Croatian wikipedia is against that article.Rjecina 4:55, 1 mar 2007. (CET)

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