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[edit] number of brothers

The article says there are "202,600 active brothers in 223 chapters", simple math would give an average of about 900 active brothers per chapter. This seems very high, but it includes all living members, active and alumnus.


How about the immensely huge (gigantic, enormous, etc.) list of notable Sigs? That's getting to the point where we should remove some. I mean, hey, I'm just as proud as the next guy of any fraternity of my brothers, but that list is so long as to stumble over itself. Any ideas/guidelines for who to keep/remove, if at all? Scoutersig 15:22, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion: limit to those who have been awarded the "Significant Sig" Award, or/and perhaps the Order of Constantine? Drsowell 18:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Literature Section

I added this section several days ago and i'm happy that so many people have started to include other stuff. Just a couple of points of clarification.

  • The Standard as we know it was not written by Issac M. Jordan. During an 1884 speech to the 15th Grand Chapter Jordan talked about the various traits that all good Sigma Chi's should possess. These 7 points were incorporated into the current standard. Therefore, it is incorrect to attribute authorship of the Standard to Jordan. Ironically, had Jordan been called upon the write the Standard (as Ade was with the Creed) it likely would never have been called the "Jordan Standard" and would not have included his name, as he was known as a modest and unassuming man.
  • If i'm not mistaken, it's a violation of wikipedia policy to post song lyrics, as they're copywritten works. I'll leave it on, but if anyone knows that actual policy and it says that the lyrics need to be removed, please do so.
  • I've found no sources that attribute authorship of the Spirit to Founder Scobey, i've found a few that attribute its writig specifically to the Fraternity.[1] says that Scobey was the prime proponent of the ideals that would become the Spirit. Or basically that Scobey believed passionately in the ideals of diversity, different temperaments, etc. And that it was in that spirit, that the Fraternity wrote the Spirit of Sigma Chi. I'm going to removed the information attributing authorship to Scobey, and put something similar to what i put for Jordan. Just to keep things factual. Batman2005 20:49, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notable Brothers

Added R. Brooks LaPlante to the Business section of Notable Brothers. He's the Founder and CEO of Doughmakers Bakeware, a multi-million dollar company, as well as a former state level politician. Should be notable enough for inclusion. Additionally, he's a Significant Sig and former recipient of the House Corp. President of the Year award given by HQ. He also owns the Theta Pi chapter house. 4.224.90.65 19:05, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

We need to get a discussion going ... the notable brothers section seems completely out of control. There's no method in place to check any of these ... I Googled a few that I didn't believe, but I think there are quite a few more in there that are not legit. 128.141.130.234 08:50, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm going through the list and adding the Category for Sigma Chi brothers to all the listed alumni. As per discussion on this discussion, the extensive list may be narrowed down and a note added to check the category as well. Scoutersig 15:41, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Ron Ziegler (US Press Secretary under Nixon during Watergate) - Can anyone verify whether or not he was a member of Sigma Chi at USC? It isn't mentioned in his article, nor is it mentioned in his obituary on the USC page [[2]]. 128.141.130.234 08:50, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Ron Ziegler is/was most definitely a Sigma Chi. (Ronald L. Ziegler, USC, Class of 1961). When my home chapter received it's charter in 1973, Ziegler sent a telegram from the White House communications room to congratulate us. If you're still in doubt, check the Sigma Chi Fraternity homepage, and click on Significant Sigs. 72.150.117.53 21:35, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Most of the ones i've checked are legitimate, Sigma Chi is massive with a massive amount of brothers who have gone on to do great things. Who else do you think might be bogus and I'll help you look for references. Batman2005 04:29, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
additionally, many of them can be verified by using the 150th Anniversary Directory. Batman2005 17:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I am going to create a seperate page for Significant Sigs and have the section just link to the page. I think it would make it much easier to navigate both the alumni page as well as the main page. Acidskater 03:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Matt Groening

Can anyone provide evidence that "Simpsons" creator Matt Groening is a Sigma Chi? He is not listed in the Sigma Chi Directory, 2005 Edition or earlier editions; nor is he a Significant Sig, listed with the General Headquarters. Groening graduated from Evergreen College in Olympia, WA, which has no Sigma Chi chapter, nor has ever had any Sigma Chi chapter in its history. The only piece of information I can find is a listing from a chapter's website of Significant Sigs. I really believe this is an urban myth. I have also heard another myth that one of the characters on "The Simpsons" was modeled after former Grand Consul Dick Hester, also without validity. 72.150.118.89 04:01, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

It's not true. Evergreen College, according to all my sources (sigmachi.org, The Norman Shield, Sigma Chi 150th Anniversary Directory, etc.) has NEVER had a Sigma Chi Chapter. Matt Groening is not listed among any brothers in the Directory, nor is he mentioned on any Significant Sig listing (which he surely would be if he were truly a Sigma Chi, HQ would have honored him by now). I've deleted the incorrect data and will continue to do so! Batman2005 13:59, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Great to know! Some guy, who knew a lot about the Simpsons, claimed that he was Matt Groening, was sitting near me at BLTW in 2003. I only saw him at one open session and was fooled for a short time. I doubt this "imposter" was even a Sigma Chi. There are a few episodes that appear to have Sigma Chi references; however, there are numerous episodes and many references to other organizations, etc. So, did the "Stonecutters" episode inspire the rumor that he is a Freemason?
One of the artists on the Simpsons is a Sig and did base Mr. Burns on Dick Hester, from what I've heard, although it is just what I've heard. ASigIAm213
An interesting thing I found was in the episode 'Tis the Fifteenth Season a fraternity called Sigma Chi Sigma rents out Flander's house. Acidskater 03:24, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dickinson College, Omicron Chapter

Omicron Chapter at Dickinson College is still an active chapter of the Sigma Chi Fraternity, so whoever is the goon that keeps deleting its inclusion among the chapter list needs to check the facts; I refer you to the website of the Sigma Chi Fraternity [[3]]. 72.150.117.53 21:49, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Template:Sigma Chi infobox

I have replaced the infobox with the standardized infobox for all fraternity articles, and nominated Template:Sigma Chi infobox for tfd. -Lanoitarus (talk) .:. 06:18, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

  • I just want to mention -- I created the Sigma Chi infobox in the fall of 2004, and I'm glad that we're following the standard now. 128.141.130.234 08:55, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Congressional Recognition

Sigma Alpha Epsilon has also been recognized by congress for it's 150th anniversary which occured in March 2006. The line "Most recently Sigma Chi was honored by the United States Congress on its 150th anniversary on June 13th, 2005, becoming the only Greek letter society so honored" should be changed or omitted.

  • It has been changed to the "first" -- cheers. 18.220.1.58 01:44, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Addition of Steny Hoyer

I'm currently unaware of any order in the listing of notable Sigs in the public sector, so I added Steny Hoyer to the top of the list. Revise as needed. IHSV

[edit] Chi Psi Chapter of Sigma Chi Fraternity

Some of you need to read Joseph C. Nate's History of the Sigma Chi Fraternity, or Robert M. Collett's Centennial History of Sigma Chi. There definitely was/is a "Chi Psi Chapter," located at the old University of New Orleans, chartered in 1882. However, the chapter did not last but a year. Alpha Omicron Chapter at Tulane University is recognized as the successor to "Chi Psi." This chapter is still listed in the "Norman Shield" as a chapter of Sigma Chi. I added this chapter to the list only as a historical reference (or trivia, if you like). If you guys don't care for it, then delete it. I'm a archivist, can't help that I like history, especially of my own fraternity.

Sorry, I forgot the protocol for Wikipedia, and didn't sign the above diatribe. IN HOC. Drsowell 15:16, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chapter listings; inactive chapters

I began to update the chapter listings after I sheepishly realized I didn't know that one of the chapters listed WAS a chapter. So using the Norman Shield, I dug in. I've listed inactive chapters in italics; is this something I should keep doing? I don't know if it is standard or not, but I think that it is useful and important, and since Wikipedia is not paper I think we should do it. Also, can/should this be a table with activation/inactivation dates--some chapters have such info just appended to thier lines. Scoutersig 06:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

That's what the Shield does; I'd go with it. ASigIAm213

[edit] Grand Chapter, Grand Council, Executive Committee

I noticed that there really isn't any mention of any of these within the article. There is a little info in the into about the Grand Chapter, but thats it. There also isn't any info on chapter officers. I know there are a lot of officers, but we can include the main ones (Consul, Pro Consul, Magister, Quaester, Annotator), or create a subpage. I wanted to hear what everyone thought about it before I did it. If no one really says anything in a week I think I'll put in a good bit. Acidskater 15:26, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that a seperate section, between 'founding' and 'leadership programs' would be fine; none of the other IFC fraternities have seperate articles for their organization levels—well, most that I looked at don't even mention international officers at all. A section on the organization at that level (and down some, to a province, though with less detail) would be fine, and the similarly-titled section of the Shield would be aperfect place to start. —ScouterSig 00:57, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

So I asked the user who labeled the page as unsourced to let me know what exactly was unsourced but to no avail he did not specify. I have added some sources but wanted to ask everyone to add sources to the article. I'm not sure if he is trying to get a whole bunch of edits(I know, assume good faith, blah blah blah), but if you can't source something use the fact label so others can see what exactly needs to be sourced. In my opinion the page doesn't need the heading of being unsourced and I would very much like it taken down but I'm not quite sure what actions need to be taken to do so if any at all. IHSV Acidskater 23:16, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

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