Talk:Sigma Alpha Epsilon
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[edit] R. Dismer Bassett
I have requested this article for comment. R. Dismer Bassett is a name that is being consistently added to the famous alumni section by suspected sock puppets. R. Dismer Bassett is a non-notable and does not meet the criteria of Wikipedia's notability requirments. --† Ðy§ep§ion † 00:35, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] removed POV sections
I removed the "To the SAE undergrad..." and "True Gentleman" sections, I feel they violate WP:NPOV and WP:NOT. Dspserpico 03:45, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Why I am restoring NPOV & Advertisement Tag
I am restoring the NPOV tag and Advertisement Tag because it is necessary. Since it was removed since I last put it up, I will now justify why I put it up in the hopes that anybody who removes it will justify its removal.
The language on the History section seems to be boilerplate language produced by the Fraternity. While this might be a good guide to the frat's history, it is also deceptive to pretend it is neutral language that doesn't read like an advertisement. It's like reading a Wikipedia page about Wal-mart prepared by Wal-Mart, or reading a Wikipedia page about a Congressman that was prepared by his/her staffers.
Now, the "True Gentleman" section. That perhaps would belong in a section of quotes about the Fraternity or by its founders or whoever the fellow is that said the quote. Its placement in the middle of the article only goes to show that this article was not prepared with the idea of making the entry befit an encyclopedia. It also bolsters the argument that the entry reads like an advertisement.
Until this article is changed to a more neutral presentation, or until somebody convinces me (through this talk page) that the existing page is neutral and not an advertisement, I will continue to restore this tag whenever it is deleted. takethemud 04:59, 13 November 2006 (UTC)takethemud
- Atleast now, you've explained why you put the tag in the first place. It is very difficult for other people when other editors place any sort of tag on an article without so much as an explanation (i.e. what specific part of the article that warranted the tag in the first place). Having said that I do agree the history section is not written in a formal tone. --† Ðy§ep§ion † Speak your mind 05:07, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "The True Gentleman" Section changes
I added a history segment to the section about "The True Gentleman." I kept it as neutral as possible. I think the problems with writing about SAE and maintaining neutrality is that the only history publications of the fraternity have been produced by the organization and therefore may sound biased. I understand your concern for the integrity of this website, so I am trying to help the situation. Being a brother of SAE myself, I would really like to see this page meet the quality standards of Wikipedia. Thanks.
[edit] Problem Chapters
what happened to this section?
Answer: I felt that this section shined a negative light on the organization and therefore upset the neutrality of the article. Since there is a discussion on positive bias in the article, the same should go for negative bias as well.
- That doesn't make any sense. "The same should go for negative bias as well"? If that's the case, then the negative bias should be in the article. Wikipedia is suppose to be neither for or against. Take a look at Pi Kappa Phi. The problem chapters should be reinstated considering that they were cited.
Relax. I'm about to fix the history to remove the bias from it. You say that "Wikipedia is supposed to be neither for or against." With the problems chapters section and the history as it is, it makes the article for AND against. Once the history has been fixed, then the article should be fine.
[edit] California Epsilon
The article California Epsilon should be merged here. Individual chapters should never have their own website. Wikipedia is not a webspace provider. The same thing happened with chapters of Beta Theta Pi. All chapter articles which were created subsequently got deleted were merged to the main Beta Theta Pi page. --† Ðy§ep§ion † Speak your mind 18:14, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- I have proposed this article for deletion in according with the above said and WP:NOT.Samwisep86 22:17, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
