Talk:Siege of Warsaw (1939)

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Contents 1 Erich von Manstein 2 Casualties 3 Relation with Modlin Army 4 Editing problem

[edit] Erich von Manstein

Erich von Manstein article mentions: He was first to strike into Warsaw's suburbs. How accurate is this - perhaps this should be added to our article, if correct? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 12:32, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The person to write such rubbish must've liked Manstein a lot. In fact he was a chief of staff of von Rundstedt's Army Group South, under which fought the 4th division. However, it is highly unlikely Manstein was there personally. Halibutt 03:33, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Casualties

What are the sources for the casualties.

I don't know the sources for figures quoted in the article. Reliable sources are official Polish documents available in libraries in Warsaw and London. German sources are: Janusz Piekalkiewicz: Der Zweite Weltkrieg - Econ, München, 1987 Herbert Drescher: Warschau und Modlin im Polenfeldzug 1939 : Berichte und Dokumente - Pforzheim 1991

"Fall Weiss" quotes: 10 000 and approx 35 000 wounded in civilian population, approx 2 000 killied and 16 000 wounded Polish soldiers. 12% abuildings in city detroyed. No German casualties reported. However TOTAL German casualties in 1939 campaign in Poland are: 10 572 killed; 30 322 wounded; 3 409 missing per official German Wehrmacht sources.

Syrenab 17:41, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Relation with Modlin Army

What was the relation between Warsaw and Modlin Armies? Some sources note that Modlin was defended by Warsaw Army or was its theatre of operations, other note it was the role of Modlin Army. Also, looking at the map, why were the forces near Warsaw formed into a new Army instead of assigned to the Modlin Army?-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  18:46, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

The "Modlin" army was based on the fortress Modlin and commanded by General Emil Krukowicz-Przedrzymirski. It was spread along a fortified line north of Mławy to defend against an attack from East Prussia. It was outflanked by the German Third Army and after 3 Sept gradually withdrew towards Modlin. The siege of Modlin commenced on 22 Sept when German forces cut across to the Vistula south of Modlin, cutting the fortress from Warsaw.

There was no "Warsaw" Army originally. On 3rd Sept the Min of the Army (Min. Spraw Wojskowych) gen. Tadeusz Kasprzycki, ordered gen. Walerian Czuma (the Commnder of the Border Guards (Straz Graniczna) to organize a force to defend the city of Warsaw agains a German attack . 8 Sept gen. Juliusz Rómmel, arriving in Warsaw, is given by chief of staff of the Polish Army (gen Stachiewicz then in Breść) the overall command of all forces defending Warsaw, incl the Warsaw Defense Force, the army "Modlin" and the army "Łódź". (zrodlo Bartoszewski - "1859 Dni Warszawy"))

Syrenab 17:41, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks: Could you copy the relevant fragments to Army Warszawa and Army Modlin for future reference?-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  19:41, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Please note completely rewritten Army Warsaw. I will now change Siege of Warsaw (1939) article to agree and to add all the new information that I have found.

Syrenab 14:54, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Great. For wider audience, consider annoucing this stuff at WP:PWNB.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  16:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Editing problem

What is going on????

The section of the article fro the middle of the section "Casualties" has been cut off.

All attempts to add it back in have failed

Syrenab 16:34, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced reference syntax, I think Halibutt fixed it.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  16:48, 19 March 2007 (UTC)