Talk:Siege of Takehana

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[edit] Takehana/Takegahana

I located an article, ja:竹ヶ鼻城, which discusses a siege of Takegahana Castle by Hideyoshi in 1584. The castle is in Hashima, Gifu. Is that a different castle, or are these the same? Fg2 00:58, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I've looked through it, and it does appear to be the same castle and the same siege. My book says "Takehana." Do you think I should move this article, or just provide an alternate name in the text? Thanks for the sleuthwork. LordAmeth 03:28, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, that's not the matter I was thinking of, so I don't have a ready suggestion. Quite possibly both have been used. But the location is what struck me: Ise Province or Gifu Prefecture? I usually associate Ise Province with Mie Prefecture, and Gifu Prefecture with Mino Province, but I don't know the geography in enough detail to rule out the possibility that a corner of present-day Gifu might have once been in Ise rather than Mino. So, maybe Ise is correct? Fg2 04:47, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, it appears that Mie Prefecture is considerably smaller than Ise province, and since Takehana/Takegahana was in the far north of Ise, it seems reasonable that it'd be in today's Gifu prefecture. I don't know much about Japanese geography, but based on the other information, such as the year it was sieged and the battles of Komaki & Nagakute which are related, I see no reason to think these are different castles. LordAmeth 11:57, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I bet you're right. These do seem to be the same. Probably that part of Ise became Gifu. Fg2 12:53, 17 March 2006 (UTC)