Talk:Sidwell Friends School
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[edit] Robby Jenkins
User 69.245.49.140 added Robby Jenkins '03 to the list of children of famous alumni as the son of senator Rob Jenkins. I've checked and I don't think this is true. In fact, the only senator by the name of Rob or Robert Jenkins was Robert Jenkins, who helped suppress the Whiskey Rebellion and died in 1848. Accordingly, I'm removing Robby's name. Hallmark 00:11, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Exclusive vs. Prestigious
I agree that Sidwell is a highly exclusive school. Even Ann Brashares, the great author of the Sisterhood of the traveling pants series went there. Someone should get the numbers for applications and admissions, at least to the High School--that would be good for the article. However, "exclusive" is not synonymous with "prestigious," which Sidwell also is. One word should not be used for a replacement of the other. Perhaps both thoughts could be added into the lead paragraph in some way? ("...prestigious and exclusive..." might suffice?) Thoughts? --Vijay 02:55, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
- Neither should be used, actually. Wikipedia discourages the use of terminology like "one of the most prestigious..." and "among the top rated schools...". Are there actual statistics—rankings, news articles, etc.—that confirm this statement? For a university, you might say "School X is ranked 32nd in the U.S. News and World Report's 'America's Best Colleges.'" It would be great if something like that existed for high schools. Obviously the Sidwell Friends School is a very prestigious institution, but this article needs an outside source to confirm that. -Vontafeijos 03:22, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Good call. I remember seeing some list of Washington Area High Schools at some point last year...but it might've been only public schools--I forget. Time to poke about the internet, I guess. If nothing can be found to replace, when should the statement be removed as NNPOV? --Vijay 22:08, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
- I am removing the following: " It is considered to be one of the most prestigious private schools in the Washington, DC area and the US." for reasons cited above. — vijay 23:30, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Capmus names
The campuses are usually referred to as the Main campus and Bethesda campus, or the Upper School and Lower School campuses. The latter leaves out the Middle School, of course, so I feel it's not preferrable. However, "Main" and "Bethesda" aren't comperable to each other. I just poked around sidwell's website, and the school's website tends to say "Middle and Upper School" and "Lower School" more than anything else. So, I'm going to change the labels to those.
Also, I'm going to revert "Bethesda in Montgomery County, Maryland" back to "Bethesda, Maryland." There is only one Bethesda in Maryland. The Bethesda article, of course, says where in MD it is. It sounds awkward the way it is now, and I checked a bunch of other school articles; they all mention what city they're in, not what county. It's just odd to say what county you're in! ( : — vijay (Talk) 22:14, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] List vs 30% ivy leagues
If the "school never releases its college admission lists" then how do we know that 30% go to Ivy League schools? --Awiseman 14:00, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] factual errors in this article
Construction on the main campus has finished. Please correct this error. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.15.62.94 (talk) 03:01, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
[edit] Racially Exclusionary?
I have heard this about Sidwell before, but the information isn't sourced. If I don't find a source for that within the week, I will delete that part of the article. If you know where I might find a source, please tell me. Mmace91 21:37, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- Try Mr. Sidwell's School: A Centennial History 1883-1983 by William R. MacKaye and Mary Anne MacKaye. There's a whole chapter about integration. RogerLustig 04:52, 23 December 2006 (UTC) ('74)
Roger, if you have access to the book, perhaps you could add the information and cite it appropriately? Often times, when issues of citability come up for debate, a problem occurs when one side of the debate has the source and the other doesn't. It's not much of a debate any more once the party with the source adds the information and cites it correctly. After that is done, if anyone believes the information should be removed, it is their responsibility to argue why it should be. As of now, naming a book is not as strong as adding a citation, and the information could still be removed (in my opinion, anyway). Anyhow, Mmace91 did simply ask for the source, so maybe s/he's willing to head over to the library and look it up!
Beyond that issue, it seems to me that the sentence is rather vague. It would be nice to say when Sidwell first was racially desegregated (1920s? 50s? 90s?)—a specific decade, at least, would be good. It would also be nice to compare its past with its present: How did Sidwell's racial exclusion compare with other similar schools of the time? How does its "38%" figure compare with other schools now?
Also, how did Sidwell's segregation align with the Quaker movement? Though that is likely far too detailed for the intro paragraph for this article. Interesting research, perhaps? — gogobera (talk) 21:22, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Exclusion based on race
The thing about Sidwell being racist seems so unlike Sidwell to me. Unless Mmace91 can tell me that in that in the book mentioned it does say that Sidwell had racist board members, I believe that that part of the article should be deleted.
I believe that a kid from St. Albans (or some other rival school) who wanted to make Sidwell look bad wrote it.
The Sidwell article should have something in it about how the school stresses equality and diversity! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bobthebuilder4 (talk • contribs) 00:24, 27 March 2007 (UTC).
I agree with Bobthebuilder4 -Qq68
- Just be bold and remove it. If anyone wants to re-add it, demand sources. -- intgr 08:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I tried to deleting it and I added some info about Sidwell's many clubs but it was reverted. WHAT I WROTE IS SERIOUS AND I AM TIRED OF PEOPLE RANDOMLY REVERTING MY CHANGES. I know a lot about the school and I can make many good additions to this article. -User:bobthebuilder4
- There is only one edit in the edit history with your user name, so I cannot tell why they were reverted. In any case, you should acquaint yourself with various Wikipedia policies and guidelines, in particular attribution. It does not matter if you go to this school or if you know much about it — information added to the article has to be attributed to a reliable source. If your edits were consistent with the Wikipedia policy, we can discuss it further. -- intgr 14:59, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I apologize for losing my temper. This was a while ago.
-bobthebuider4
