Talk:Shulaveri-Shomu culture

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1. I'm deleting the sentence about the Armenians - what's the relevance of the mentioned information for this prehistoric culture, with unknown ethnic atribution? 2. I'm deleting also the sentence about the "9000 BC tomb" - it's untrue. If you mean the Kotias Klde skeleton, the date is corect, but it has nothing to do with Shulaveri culture, it's much earlier and pre-ceramic. Anyway, such date for Shulaveri is impossible - it's contemporary with the earliest Near Eastern Neolithic, and cannot be the date of the fully agricultural, pottery-bearing Shulaveri culture.ZMatskevich 00:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

No, it should not be removed it should stay. Why is it that since it mentions "Armenians" you want it removed? ROOB323 01:23, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I have nothing against Armenians, but to argue that a Neolithic culture that possibly predated even Proto-Indoeuropean, not to mention Armenian language, has anything to do with Armenian is ridiculous. Additionally, the most important and famous sites related to the culture - Shulaveri, Shomutepe, Arukhlo, Khramis Didi gora, Imirisgora - are in Georgia and Azerbaijan - why do you remove that? Armenia has a glorious history, and there are wonderful archaeological sites, why do you need this early agricultural culture? ZMatskevich 04:39, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

ROOB323, why do you keep reverting my changes? If you don't understand what is written there, it does mean that it should be deleted. Do you understand anything at all, besides your national pride? ZMatskevich 19:57, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

First of all you should be watch your mouth and not inslut people and secondly you keep removing every word in the article that says "Armenian" which I really don't like it. ROOB323 20:06, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

There is no reason to remove "Armenian" from this article since the users explanation is "Armenia has a glorious" history. Nareklm 20:07, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

You know, I have a question. I will not remove this sentence: "Armenians are one of the oldest Indo-European subgroups.". But I'm just asking to explain me the logic of the text, and how does this (correct!!!!!) sentence fit here, why should it be here. ...and I DO return Azerbaijan into the text. No politics, no "national pride" - but Shomu-tepe (type site of the culture) is situated in Azerbaijan, nothing to do. ZMatskevich 22:51, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

And additionally. You've removed my editing about the Kura-Arax - but in the present form it is another nonsense. Kura-Arax - is not "another culture" it is a Bronze Age entity, it is much later. It's the same as if you are writing about Ancient Rome and mentioning "another culture" of USA. What was written in my text is that Shulaveri is a possible ancestor of Kura-Arax (reference - the same article of Kiguradze, or Kushnareva (Kushnareva, K. Kh. 1997. The Southern Caucasus in Prehistory: Stages of Cultural and Socioeconomic Development from the Eighth to the Second Millennium B.C. University Museum Monograph 99. Philadelphia: The University of Pennsylvania Museum.)ZMatskevich 23:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

The sentence was not referenced the one i added was referenced.Nareklm 08:06, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've added some references and slightly organized chronology. The "Armenians" are there, did not touch them :). Your deleting Azerbaijan, and changing "Armenia" to "Armenian highlands" don't solve the problem - the sites are not in the highlands, they are in the valley. But do whatever you want, I give up. Let's wait, it's even funny to see what will happen to this article in the future. ZMatskevich 07:44, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I removed mention of "Armenian" - in the same way as I would remove "Georgian", "Azeri", whatever. Because any national attribution of the Neolithic culture is a speculation. It can be mentioned, as a reference to an opinion of a scholar, or a group of scholars (but I'm not aware about any serious source discussing "Armenian attribution" of the Shulaveri. Therefore just to write "Armenian" - it's a nonsense, and irrelevant for the article. The truth is that classical Shulaveri sites are unknown within the borders of the present-day Republic of Armenia. They are in the Kura valley. There is an important Eneolithic site Tekhut in Armenia - but it is not a part of the "Shulaveri culture", and probably is slightly later. ZMatskevich 22:02, 16 February 2007 (UTC)