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[edit] People of Sarnath as worshipers

An anon user recently requested a citation for a factoid that stated that the people of Sarnath are worshipers of Shub-Niggurath. The best I can provide is Daniel Harms' The Encyclopedia Cthulhiana (vol. 2), which was the source I used when I wrote the two sections under Shub-Niggurath#Cult. While, to the best of my knowledge, Lovecraft did not explicitly connect the people of Sarnath to Shub-Niggurath, Sarnath nonetheless does have a life outside HPL's works (such as in pastiches and role-playing games). In the entry for "Sarnath" in The Encyclopedia Cthulhiana, Harms says that Sarnath also appears in the novel Prey (New York, NY: Leisure Books, 1999. ISBN 0-585-29222-1; ISBN 0-843-94633-4.) by Graham Masterton. Perhaps the connection is made there.
-,-~R'lyehRising~-,- 18:13, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Notebook..Deserted House"

I thought that "Notebook..Deserted House" featured a shoggoth, not Shub-Niggurath. I would like clarification as to how this is associated with Shub-Niggurath, as the postal worker said it was a shoggoth as well. The preceeding unsigned comment by 71.30.238.155 08:10 14 May 2006

  • I believe the creatures were established as "Dark Young of Shub-Niggurath" by the Call of Cthulhu role-playing game, since Shub-Niggurath figures in the story.
    ,-~R'lyehRising~-, 13:00, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
    • It makes almost zero sense for the 'Deserted House' entity to be a shoggoth. It's in a story about Shub-Niggurath, it's nowhere near an Elder Thing site, and it's absolutely nothing whatsoever like a shoggoth (shoggoths being mutable slimeballs and 'cogieres of spheres'). What do we accept, the panicked word of some postman or the actual descriptions in the story? 59.167.217.179 04:03, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
We should bear in mind that a shoggoth is a fictional creature, and may vary considerably from one writer's imagination to another's. If a creature is called a shoggoth in a story, then for the purposes of the story that's what it is, regardless of whether it resembles depictions of shoggoths in other fictional works. Nareek 04:25, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alone in the Dark

I'm pretty sure, the Shub-Niggurath was also mentioned in the old "Alone in the Dark" game.

[edit] Quake end boss

I tried putting this to the article, but User:Nareek removed it ("What Shub-Niggurath looks like is a matter of interpretation"). Anyway, here's my reasoning, bear in mind that I'm not an expert of Cthulhu mythos by any means: almost everywhere else, Quake end boss, called Shub-Niggurath in the game, is often said to resemble more of Dark Young than Shub-Niggurath herself; one to say that is Wikipedia article Quake, which states "The creature's looks are based on a Dark Young rather than Shub-Niggurath herself; it's simply not large enough." So, because I'm not an expert, I have to ask: which article is right? Would be very nice to not have contradictions here - and this matter really needs some footnotes on Quake article's side... --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 22:55, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Shub-Niggurath is never described in Lovecraft's fiction, and entities that are described seem to take on a variety of forms, so it's hard to say that a representation of Shub-Niggurath does or doesn't resemble her. In general, Wikipedia should avoid treating fictional creations as if they were real--as if there were a real thing that different fictions can be compared to and judged as either right or wrong. See Wikipedia:Writing about fiction. Nareek 23:03, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but that doesn't convice me. We've always portrayed the Dark Young exactly as the Quake boss, I think there is no point debating that.

[edit] Proper pronunciation of Shub-Niggurath

I was afraid to guess at how to pronounce the "Niggurath" part of the name (for what I think is an obvious reason). Can someone please clarify how to say Shub-Niggurath?

I have always pronounced it as nig-you-roth. I wouldn't be so worried about phonetic similarities to the wretched slur. Check the article on niggardly for an example of hypersensitivity (perhaps) gone to the extreme.Brian Schlosser42 19:46, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't know that Lovecraft ever indicated an "official" pronunciation. I pronounce it SHOOB niGOOrath, though I wouldn't claim that's the way it ought to be pronounced. I wouldn't be surprised if the resemblance to "nigger" was intended by Lovecraft, who had a cat named "Nigger-Man" and who seemingly had race and sex and fear rather mixed up in his mind. Nareek 20:57, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I've been pronouncing it nig-gore-ath. I guess no one really knows the exact way.BanditmanEXE 7:50, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
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