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[edit] List of sovereign states

Thanks for the heads up. :-) Khoikhoi 08:47, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I've seen your re-introduction of Transnistria at List of sovereign states. Would you care to participate in the discussion, too? Dpotop 09:26, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I have put in a comment which listed 3 proposals. It seems that keeping the status quo is the one preferred by the majority of people. Unfortunately people are still trying to change it without consensus.-- (Shocktm | Talk | contribs.) 02:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hong Kong and Macau

Here talk:Macau and talk:Hong Kong--Ksyrie 23:29, 23 January 2007 (UTC) and here talk:List of countries and talk:List of countries by continent--Ksyrie 23:37, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

You have no consensus on the changes you are making. Wikipedia has used the definition of country to include sovereign states, dependencies, and areas of special sovereignty for a long time now and as such Hong Kong and Macau are countries. They have their own Telephone Codes, Internet domains, currency (HKD), etc. - things that countries have. Please do not make changes until you get a consensus and if you do change all dependencies and areas of special sovereignty, not just Hong Kong and Macau.-- (Shocktm | Talk | contribs.) 00:12, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Read something about List of special entities recognized by international treaty or agreement and compaing the Åland and Svalbard with Hong Kong and Macau.And don't try to revert more than 3 times,you risk to break the WP:3RT.--Ksyrie 00:18, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

If you read the history of that page you would see I have edit the page and therefore know it well. It does not change the matter. Hong Kong and Macau are considered countries by the ISO, ITU, IOC, etc. -- (Shocktm | Talk | contribs.) 00:33, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Furthermore, I recommended you to read the Country,which define the nature of country accepted by most people.You may see some Dependent territory as country,but it is not universally accepted.--Ksyrie 00:25, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

You should look at List of countries and talk:List of countries where this has been discussed ad nauseum. On that page and elsewhere country has a different meaning than what you prefer it to mean.-- (Shocktm | Talk | contribs.) 00:33, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, so I wish someone to change the List of countries to List of countries and dependencies which give a more clear and non ambiguous definition. I am sure the definition for some article are quite disputable, but considering in the Country which clearly talk about a territory of sovereignty, so I think it is not descent to place Hong Kong and Macau as Country which will definitely called the ambiguity.--Ksyrie 00:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

You put in a remark on talk:List of countries to discuss that which is good place to start. If you See Lists_of_countries, you can see how many articles in Wikipedia define a country in the broader term and how the proposed change will effect a large number of articles. (There are also Templates that are affected)-- (Shocktm | Talk | contribs.) 02:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC)