Talk:Shogen Okabayashi

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I would cut down on the external links (usually two or three is ideal) especially since the article is nicely referenced. Wikipedia is not supposed to be a link farm. Just a suggestion but I think the article is approaching WP:NOT#REPOSITORY (call me conservative) Peter Rehse 00:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Me again and about the links. Wikipedia prefers not to have multiple hits on the same site for external links (also inline citations). I trimmed accordingly. If we could get a picture up I think this article should be promoted to a B - if that can't be done I will probably promote it anyway but I'll wait a bit first. A little bit more fleshing out of his life would also be nice but again not necessary for the promotion. All in all - good information, good tone, good article.Peter Rehse 02:28, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback Peter. It is nice to know when I'm moving the articles in the right direction or not. Also the 'link farming' wasn't something I had been thinking of in those terms, so that's helpful. I was just thinking in terms of steering people to the maximum amount of information possible. I'll keep this within greater limits in the future.

Oh, I'm not catching your meaning exactly here in regard to the 'inline citations'. Could you just clarify that point?--Mateo2006 03:34, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

There was another more specific term besides link farming that refered to multiple pages of the same site but I forgot it. The 'inline citations' are the references and you are using them perfectly - no complaints from me. I just mentioned that as a general statement. The Aikido Journal website is so huge that it makes sense to point to individual articles (both in external links and inline cases) for smaller sites one should use discretion erring on the side of minimal. Call me pendantic but I believe that if something is well referenced there should be no need for external links since the truely important "contributing" sites should already have been mentioned.Peter Rehse 03:47, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Names

Please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles)#Names. In any case it should be consistent. In some places it was Sogaku Takeda and in others Takeda Sogagu, same for Ueshiba. I think Shogen Okabayashi is the correct order but not sure - what is his family name?Peter Rehse 04:45, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. I myself much prefer to Asian name order for Asian people. I also find the idea that one should apply Asian rules to pre-Meiji and Western name order for Meiji and onward kind of arbitrary. Perhaps there is sound thinking behind this but it evades me. :)

In certain cases I used word order which was identified by internal links. So for example I might used Sokaku Takeda for the first mention in order that it would go to an active link.

I used Shogen (given name) Okabayashi (family name) for the title and first line as I thought people looking for him would probably type it in that way. I now know I can handle this through re-directs so I'll strive to be more consistant. I'll also look through other pages I've worked on and try to make for some consistancy there.(I know I was using Bong Soo Han (Western order) while using every other Koreans name in Korean order as there was a page for him identified in the Western manner as he well known in the U.S.)--Mateo2006 22:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)