Talk:Ship replica

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I just started this article. The featured ships I mainly found through Googling Wikipedia for 'ship replica'. As a result, most ships have a link and most ships are from Anglophone countries and the Netherlands. A general Google is desirable to give it a better balance.

f you put a ship replica here and start an article on it, please give it a link to here. DirkvdM 07:41, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Added the East Indiaman Götheborg --Dahlis 12:00, 2005 September 3 (UTC)

Should "genuine replica" read "generic replica?"--Danorton 23:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Order Ships

As the list is growing I would suggest to rankorder the replicas building dat of the original rather than current location. That way we see what bits of maritime history are now under investigation (e.g. Anc Egypt Ra2; 17th century, a number of VOC ships, etc). And which time periods are not represented. How do you think about that?Arnoutf 12:31, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps we should order the ship information in a table format; or add a list of ship replicas article. Below my suggestion for such a table. How do you think about this?

Ship name	Type	Current port	Current affiliation	Country	Affiliation	Built	Notable for	End	Remark
Ra II	Reed boat	Oslo, Norway	Bygdøy maritime museum			app. 4000BC	Ancient Egypt merchant. Replica crossed Atlantic, Heyerdahl	app. 2000BC	Class replica
Olympias	Trireme	Faliro (near Athens), Greece			Image:Pericles.jpg	app. 700BC	Main warship of ancient Greece	app. 400BC	Class replica
Lisa von Lübeck	Hanseatic cog	Lübeck, Germany			Hanseatic League	app. 1200	Main medieval merchant	app. 1500	Class replica
Pinta, Niña and Santa María	Caravel	Palos de la Frontera, Spain				app. 1490	Columbus 1492 squadron
Matthew		Bristol, UK				app. 1495	John Cabot's ship to America in 1497
Victoria		Seville, Spain				app. 1515	Only survivor of Magellan's 1519-1522 travel
Golden Hind	Tudor Galleon	(1)London, UK (2)Brixham, UK				app. 1575	1577-1580 circumvention
Batavia	East Indies Merchant	Lelystad, The Netherlands				1628	mutiny 1629	wrecked 1629
Prins Willem	East Indies Merchant	Den Helder, the Netherlands				1649		sank 1662
Zeven Provinciën	Ship of the Line (80 guns)	Lelystad, the Netherlands				1665	Flagship of Michiel de Ruyter	decommisioned 1694	Under construction
Götheborg	East Indies Merchant	Gothenburg, Sweden			SOIC	app. 1740		sank 1745
Amsterdam	East Indies Merchant	Amsterdam, the Netherlands	Nederlands Scheepvaartmuseum			1749		grounded 1749
Surprise/Rose	Frigate	San Diego, USA	San Diego Maritime Museum			1757	1776 attack New York. Master and Commander	scuttled 1779	Renamed Surprise after movie
De Delft[1]	Ship of the Line (54 guns)	Rotterdam, the Netherlands				1757	Battle of Camperdown	sank 1797	Under Construction
Jacobstads Wapen	Galleon	Jakobstad, Finland				app. 1750
Santísima Trinidad	Ship of the line (144 guns)	Malaga, Spain				1769	battles of Cape St Vincente & Trafalgar	sank 1805
Grand Turk	Frigate	Middlesex, UK				app. 1790			used in Hornblower

PS does anybody know how to center in wikitables and does anybody know how to make a hyperlinked image.Arnoutf 20:36, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for starting to work on this, I hope I may be able to contribute too. One thing to think about -- is it better now to move the list / table to a new page e.g. List of ship replicas as is done with other articles to avoid it becoming overlong ? --mervyn 12:57, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

May be a good idea; to move it to a list page. In that case we may want to expand the current intro of Ship Replica though. Arnoutf 14:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

What is meant by "Affiliation"? Flag (country) of original vessel, (or of replica)? Also, why do some say "private owner"? I know for a fact that neither Amistad or Lady Washington is owned privately. Pjbflynn 21:02, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I meant the contracter of the original ship (to show the shift in seapower over the centuries), but to be honest I can see the term is ambiguous, if you have a better idea please feel free to change; or perhapcs even delete the whole column and only leave original country, easier to maintain as well. Arnoutf 21:37, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bias for renaissance/enlightenment vessels

I think there is a slight bias towards the ships of the 1600-1700's. I will try to add some ships of different era (e.g. Viking longships) to give a more extensive overview of the replcias all over the history of shipping.

e.g. from http://home.online.no/~joeolavl/viking/index.htm

Help is welcome Arnoutf 09:30, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I have a strong suspicion that any such bias in the list will be a result of a bias in the choosing of ships to replicate. There will be more from the era of first European exploration of the oceans and subsequent growth in size. After that, ships got more efficient, but if you want an efficient ship it makes more sense to build a modern one. DirkvdM 07:35, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

True but there are at least several more from the Viking age; didn't have time to chase those so far though. Arnoutf 08:23, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Order of Ships in new table

I decided to order the ships in the new table format on year of construction rather than Alphabetical (name giving being a fairly arbitrary way of ordering ships). The ordering by building year has several advantages. (1) The development of ship types over time is easily followed byseeing the ship type column evolve. (2) The rise (and fall) of naval powers is easily followed by seeing country flags appear and disappear over time in that column; the same goes for the rise and fall of enterprises. These two bits of (IMHO) interesting information on the flow of history is lost by ordering the ships alphabetically. I think, the small benefit of quick lookup does not weigh against that. Arnoutf 19:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Would seem to be a good idea -- not much point making a list just by ship name, because that can be found from the Category list. (Although at the moment there is no Ship replica category!!!). Though having said that, a simple list A-Z is still useful, because it points up the red links, like the List of museum ships. Another point is to think carefully before you embark on creating an elaborate list -- the more info and formatting in the list, the more difficult it is to maintain and to keep synched with the info in the Ship's own articles. --mervyn 13:22, 2 November 2006 (UTC)