Talk:Shinichi Fujimura

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I disagree with moving everything in "political implications" in Fujimura Shinichi to past tense. If no one believes in the myth anymore, Fujimura wouldn't have been so important, would he have been? DirectorStratton 23:23, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

My understanding is that this Japanese myth was a tenet during World War II but not of today. (I mean people know the myth but don't believe in it at all) His incident was important not because his forged evidences supported the myth but because those shed light on ancient Japan, which even today we know very little. In school in Japan I was taught old Japanese were descendants of Chinese and Korean. Do you have any reference on this issue? That should be helpful for us. -- Taku 23:41, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

The uyoku would probably disagree with you per the ancestry of Japanese people, but I see your point. My books are currently at home, and I will need them for sources. Should be next week or so. For now I will modify it to something that should be agreeable. DirectorStratton 23:55, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

I don't know when I will have time to dig through my old texts, so I've taken out anything I couldn't find easily online. I believe most of my statements are verified in Modern Japan: A Social and Political History (Nissan Institute/Routledge Japanese Studies) (Paperback) by Elise K. Tipton, but I could be wrong or confused. DirectorStratton 00:24, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

As a general suggestion, read John Dower, although he doesn't comment on current events. DirectorStratton 00:26, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

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The cornerstone of the traditional Japanese national myth was that the Japanese people have a unique ethnic ancestry and are not related to the people of surrounding nations, specifically Korea and China.

I didn't know and I haven't heard of that. Who claims it? Archaeological findings after the war in China, Siberia suggest that people immigrated from those regions, some through Korean peninsula. Before WWII, the Japanese government claimed that the Japanese and the Koreans shared the same origine. You may take it for the "homogeniousness" sometimes heard in Japan. -222.15.81.187 02:24, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Fujimura's findings of increasingly ancient artifacts had led to the discarding of the Korean descent theories and bolstered the nationalists' claim to Japan's unique ancestry.

This is new to me too. I haven't heard of his "findings" related to the origine of the Japanese or Korean matters. Is it true? Do you have any source? In this article things Korean seem to be especially emphasized, but I wonder if there's any reason why other regions that are said to have something to do with the origine of Japanese people are less stressed. And I don't remember the nationalists reacted before or after his fakes were discovered. I am not sure if they were even interested in this. This was a very important incident in the Japanese archaeological society, but some right-winger matters are important enough to mention in the article? -222.15.81.187 02:51, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

The heavy bulk of archaeological evidence points towards Korea as the most direct and significant relation to Japan. Specifically, there are a number of tombs of (probable) Korean kings in Japan. See above. DirectorStratton 22:52, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Political Implication

This section not only lack citation but also a personal POV criticism of Japanese nationalism with Koran perspective. The extent in which Japanese are related to Korean is not a settled issue. For example, Korean like to imply that Japanese decended from Korean, while Japanese tend to claim that Japanese and Korean decended from older Altaic group. It's a silly oriental argument about who is more senior/superior/better than who. Korean emphasise that Japanese came "from" Korean penninsula while Japanese claim that Japanese came "through" Korean penninsula before the foremation of Korean ethinicity from Sila. Unless someone find verified article which relate this forgery incident to Japan/Korean I'm-better-than-you controversy, this section must go. Vapour