Talk:Shimano

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This addition sounds intriguing, but it's not of a Neutral point of view. Please see the NPOV tutorial for pointers on moving it toward NPOV. --Christopherlin 21:59, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"Shimano is innovative. Often these innovations result in propietary technologies. Shimano seems unwilling to delay the introduction of an innovation to build consensus for an industry standard and instead introduced the innovation as part of yearly incremental improvements. This almost guarentees that at the time of release no part from another manufacturer can be substituted for a Shimano part in the gruppo. Since innovations are introduced ever year as part of a gruppo, this cycle is endless. From an engineering perspective, Shimano creates optimized systems at the grouppo level. The parts of the system are optimized for use in the system and are often difficult to maintain, repair, or replace with other components. For example, maintining some Shimano parts require propietary Shimano tools."

As somebody of some experience in cycling (being that I'm a profesional cyclist) I'd say the point of that section is rather accurate. For instance dura ace (the top level groupo and hence the first to get new developements) are frequently incompatibily with any other dura ace group set other than of course that year's model. Although admittedly this section does have a very slight bias towards shimano, but that is no surprise because it is an article about shimano. So I'd say that very small amount it ok, just like the article on Romans would be very slightly biased towards them. Mathmo 06:32, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm... on re-reading this, I see no overall bias in that section. And I'd be of mind to insert it back in, however I'll leave others a chance to say something first about this. Although if you are being very picky you could see bias in small sections overall it is of a satisfactory fair, balanced, and neutral level of writing. That it isn't to say it is perfect, nothing here is. But it is an excellent start that is worthy of being here for others to build upon. Mathmo 06:36, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Shimano innovations

Is the Nexus automatic shifting really "computerized"? The product literature refers to a CPU, but I'm not sure if that is marketing speak or if there is really a computer chip in there. Maybe a better description is "electronic", again, if it really is electronic. RosinDebow 03:18, 9 March 2007 (UTC)