User talk:Shell Kinney
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[edit] MDS International
Are you reverting this back according to a primary source? I have checked the revision and the current one is accurate accouding to secondary press sources. Please do not add advertisements to Wikipedia. WizardOfWor 09:44, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
- No, I'm reverting back to a non-controversial stub. Please provide any current source which contradicts the company's home page for basic facts and we can discuss changing it, but blindly reverting to whichever version you prefer isn't going to get you anywhere. The version you originally had a hand in was nothing more than a large jumble of original research gleaned from all primary sources, so honestly, its a bit late to take that tack. Shell babelfish 17:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I am not taking a tack! I have requested that you not facilitate the violation of a court order that you can read. You are facilitating this. I have escalated this in Wikipedia as well. Your refusal to talk about this is inexcusable and certainly not in good faith. WizardOfWor 01:33, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Dear Wikipedia reader call us or mail to us to know all about WiZardOfWor and all the team around, mail to mds@mds.fr and you can receive documentations to make your own opinion Page of Lies about MDSinternational MDSi, Worldwave Hypercable etc.. and build by Wizardofwor alias Harold Kirpatrick are deleted by Jean-Claude Ducasse CTO of MDSi Gerant of Worldwave a brand Owned by MMDS Hypercable jcd@mds.fr)
Placed on my talk page by jeanclauduc. 01:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
2007-03-28T22:44:40 Shell Kinney (Talk | contribs) m (each section of the article is appropriately referenced, please do not restore POV commentary not supported by sources - use the talk page to discuss disputes, thanks) this is your comment about restoring,WizardOfWor 01:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- I have read all of the court filings related to the case. None of these filings or orders have any effect whatsoever on Wikipedia or how Wikipedia works. Regardless of how you may feel about the subject outside of Wikipedia, this does not change the fact that Wikipedia's policy is to write articles without bias from a neutral point of view and require that we not use own own knowledge but only write material already published by reliable sources. You should also be made aware that legal threats such as you come close to by accusing me of facilitating contempt are strictly forbidden and may result in someone blocking your account indefinately. I have said a number of times that I am more than happy to discuss any issues you might have and assist you in any way possible, however, claiming your edits to be permissible based on a court case doesn't leave much room for discussion. Please let me know if there's anything further I can do to help. Shell babelfish 03:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
The question is why these warnings only apply to me. I have counted 7 legal threats from jeanclauduc. I have yet to see anything other than a 1st level warning. He posted a personal attack on my talk page. Nothing done about that.You do not discuss. You revert and tell me. You did not respond to other user who noticed your impartiality. This is not a discussion, you are informing me and you hold the power. However, when company are cheated on the basis of information you insist, without a discussion, on restoring prior to the conversation you will share some of the blame. I begin to agree with the other poster. You are turning a valuable resource into a useless blog.
I edited his attack on my talk page and you warn me. I insist that you recuse yourself from this issue. you are not partial. WizardOfWor 10:26, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- If you can point me to the diffs where the other editor made legal threats, I will be happy to warn him as well. Please note that you are also more than welcome to warn other editors of policy violations; we ask that you do so nicely, but any community member has that ability. If legal threats continue, you may ask to have the offending editor blocked by either posting to my talk page or the administrator's noticeboard. You might also consider that since my involvement started due to an email to WP:OTRS there are also communications off-wiki which you have not been privy to where the editor has been warned about his behavior.
- Please understand that you are reverting changes made per Wikipedia policy. I have explained the applicable policies in detail and offered to explain further should you have any questions. This is not a case of a difference in punctuation where the changes can stay until we reach an agreement. If you have any reliable sources (please note this specifically does not include primary sources like court documents) which show the information currently on the page should be changed, I would be more than happy to allow updates made based on those references to stand. Unfortunately, changes made based on your own personal knowledge are specifically disallowed per WP:OR and may not be used in any Wikipedia articles.
- I hope this helps explain things a bit. Shell babelfish 15:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Sorry but the information left there is from www.mds.fr by YOUR OWN admission. This is a primary source. Show me anywhere in the links where LMDS is mentioned, Where sales to telecom carriers are mentioned. This is all from the primary source website www.mds.fr. Where is "triple Play" mentioned. Where is /M/D/S mentioned in the press. All of this is advertisement. The courst order makes it clear that MVDDS is NOT an advertised product of this company.
More than this, Jeancluduc claims I am Kirkpatrick from MDS America who is the person quoted as giving the information about MDSInternational in the secondary sources. Does this not alone give you PAUSE?
[edit] I don't believe
let's see, you have no problem finding my implied "threats" but you need my help to find this threat and the others as well Jeancluaduc. The number of messages that I have received regarding biased Adminis are staggering and I appreciate the sentiment as well but this doesn't stop these ADMINs from ruining Wikipedia's reputation. Any one in this industry sees what is happening here. I HAVE done WAY TOO MUCH effort to keep others from being swindled by this article and ADMIN. Why do I need to prove to you what is obvious from the history? BUT from jeancluduc to Fang Ali note on 25 March, long before my warning for an IMPLIED threat wrote:
IF YOU DO NOT REMOVE ALL OF THIS PAGES IN WIKIPEDIA OUR COMPANY MDSinternational SUE YOURSELF AND YOUR BOY FRIEND KIRPATRICK User talk:Jeanclauduc From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Contents [hide] 1 MDS International/ 2 Your edit to MDS International 3 MDS International 4 Vandalism
Let us all see what the reaction is. I was blocked by this admin for far less!!! Every single entry confirms your bias.That you do not recuse yourself now speaks volumes!
Of course this is ignoring that this is, by jeancladuc's own admission, a WP:COI that you KEEP REVERTING. However I will keep pushing this until it reaches the upper management of WIkipedia. 72.19.4.235 19:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- So what you're saying is that he was already warned for the legal threat he made? I'm not sure what else you would like me to do then. I did not block you for the implied threat and had no intention of doing so, I just wanted to make sure you were aware that Wikipedia had a policy against legal threats so you didn't run into a problem with it later on.
- Honestly, I am trying to help here. I've tried to help make you aware of Wikipedia policies and discuss with you at length how they apply to your particular situation and the ongoing editing differences at several articles you are involved in. Instead of accepting the assistance you're getting, you continue pointing the finger elsewhere. Please take a moment to step back and let the processes work - please note the discussion on the MDS International talk page about the article deletion. Shell babelfish 22:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Shuang Yang
Greetings. If you feel the copyright permission is valid then you have my blessing. When I saw that the copy was almost word for word from a promotional website (and that the article had been speedy deleted many times before) I assumed it was simple spam. One thing that struck me was our article claimed Shuang Yang was a form of T'ai Chi Ch'uan where the source websites didn't, which also made me suspect a spammer in our midst, but would perhaps rule out WP:COI. Cheers. --Fire Star 火星 04:42, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Your Wikihalo
In the process of bringing Wikihalo back to life, I'm checking for "illegally" awarded Wikihalos. A wikihalo can be awarded only by a discussion at its page, not by a single user. However, it seems that many users haven't understood this, and have awarded wikihalos without a proper nomination and so on.
I've discovered that you're displaying a wikihalo, but I haven't found the discussion related to it. Only five people have received a wikihalo (and one of 'em dubiously), and you aren't listed as one of 'em.
So, I'm very sorry, but unless you provide the link to the discussion, I have to ask you to remove the award from your userpage and/or any other page on which you are displaying it.
If you could point me to the diff with it was awarded to you, I can try to discover what's behind it ;-)
Thank you for your cooperation and happy editing,
Snowolf (talk) CON COI - 12:50, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
- It would appear that the image in question was put on my talk page by Theflyingfudge back in May of 2006. I've changed it, with his message over to an appropriate barnstar. Thanks for pointing that out! Shell babelfish 20:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Ernham is back
Hi. I notice you've been involved in blocking User:Ernham before. He's just come back from his ban, and is already at it again, removing sourced references etc. he doesn't like with no attempt to discuss. I'm immensely frustrated at wasting time reverting him, and hope not to get sucked into another edit war. I'd appreciate your help in keeping an eye on him, especially his 'contribution' to Lothar von Trotha and Herero and Namaqua genocide. Thank you :) Greenman 12:53, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
