Talk:Sherman Austin

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Contents 1 David Touretzky 2 POV/Accuracy check 3 Wiki links 4 I knew Sherman Austin 5 This is a biography 6 Small note

[edit] David Touretzky

Ironically, Carnegie Mellon University professor David Touretzky, who has also posted bombmaking information to the internet, has not been charged or arrested.

This was removed from the main article as being irrelevant. I don't think it is. The whole reason that the FBI and their thugs were supposedly after Austin was his posting this content. David Touretzky posted the same content out of protest and in support of Free Speech. David Touretzky posted this information because of the FBI's abuse of its powers in regards to Sherman Austin.

I agree with the above comment.

[edit] POV/Accuracy check

This article reads as a vitriolic polemic against charges being brought against this individual rather than any relevent biographical approach to the subject, much less the reason why he is known at all. Wikipedia is not a personal soapbox to reflect the arguments of editors over obscure political causes. --TJive 22:35, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Be specific please about which sentences are POV in your opinion. --Revolución (talk) 01:07, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

This stands out "In fact the FBI referred to a completely different site authored by a completely different individual (whom they visited and questioned in person) but purposely lied, fabricated evidence, and lied in court documents to frame Sherman and paint him as a terrorist." Were any of this to be provable, the events outlined in this article would have played differently. However they aren't, things haven't, and so they don't fit a NPOV. Alvis 05:15, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

These statements about the FBI coming "ready to kill" give this article an anti-government tone, and to me a lot of this article reads like a defense of Mr. Austin and a diatribe against the government. Its ok to factually state that the FBI came with guns drawn, etc., but this is standard procedure for dynamic entries, such as in the case of WACO, Elian Gonzales, and other police raids to execute warrants, and are far from unique. While I respect user Revolucion's political views, the fact that HE seems to be putting an anti-government edge on this article sounds like this is intentional bias on his part. Please don't use Wikipedia as a soapbox for your agenda.

I agree, this article begins and ends as a biased tract in support of Austin, as opposed to an objective statement of the facts about his biography. To call him a "political prisoner" is a very charged statement.

[edit] Wiki links

There seems to be some problems with wiki links in this article, can someone figure out why, I don't know much about the workings of MediaWiki or the syntax.

[edit] I knew Sherman Austin

He was a member of the RATM (Rage against the machine) message Board. He was a known by his screen name Anti Government. Anyway this may not be a neutral thing to say, but I really think he got a raw deal. Sherman, if you can read this, I hope you are doing well. Piercetp 08:14, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This is a biography

It would be nice to have things like a birth date or at least a year, if possible. If somebody else wants to make the "Sherman Austin crimes" page, that would be fine also. -- 75.24.107.10 01:12, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

So I took out the complex discussion on the CGI technical details and the big statement that Sherman after his release from jail. They are really not part of the biography. This article is, relatively still a little heavy on the process of this persons journey through the American legal system. Is that really all there is to this person? He has been convicted of a crime? He has written a book or something? -- 75.24.107.19 03:16, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Small note

I lived with Sherman for about 6 months before he had to go to jail. I won't add anything to the main article because I'm incapable of being neutral about it. The charges were lame as fuck, austin is a vegetarian, personally non-violent (it's actually extremely hard to get austin to even say much, or even act excitedly, much less violently), and a very sweet person. I let him babysit my kids for pete's sake.