Talk:Shen Gong Wu
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[edit] more order problems
someone as been messing about with the known shen gong wu page and now the shen gong wu are in no particular order, and for some reason the mantis flip coin is no longer listed, some others are possibly missing. I think it should just be left in order of appearence and wish people would stop messing about with a perfectly fine system
[edit] Foolishness
Does anyone know what Shen Gong Wu means? For all we know it may mean "Foolish Round Eyes give us money" I would like to hear if there is any basis in Chinese myth. Where did the authors of the cartoon derive their information. Wiki is more powerful than merely a listing of cartoon titbits.
why would americans name an essencial component in their show 'foolish round eyes give us money'?
What does Xiaolin and Heylin mean? I know what shaolin is I mean...
Xiaolin is just a pun on shaolin, there isn't supposed to be a connection, it isn't saying this is what Shaolin monks are like, and Shaolin is something like Young forest, (madarin I think) and heylin is dark Forest I think, in Romanised Mandarin, or somthing like that
I think "Shen Gong Wu" and "Wudai" are just supposed to sound like "cool" chinese. You know like you make up a superhero and name him "Zeloro". That would just be making a name you think is cool. And the "Xiaolin thing" it is just changing Shiaolin into a strange word. Strange words are popular. What does "Jong" mean?
[edit] Ownership Reference
As there are now more factions that can own Shen Gong Wu than simply Xiaolin (The monks) and Heylin (Jack and Wuya) should the references to ownership change? Now that all the villains work seperately? (So instead of Heylin, Jack/Wuya/Bean/Chase.) Or no?
I think Heylin is more for Jack & Wuya in season 1 & 2, and Hannibal/Wuya and sometimes Jack in season 3, as Wuya stole the Shroud of Shadows in "Omi Town" and Hannibal used it in "Hannibal's Revenge".
[edit] say wha-?
what's happened to that whole page? it's all become one block of text!
The Golden Tiger Claws is a Katar?
[edit] Ying & Yang Yo-Yo's
I think there needs to be a clarification on the yo-yo's. I thought that if one used only the Ying yo-yo their good chi would be left behind while using only the Yang yo-yo their bad chi would be left behind. Jack came back good the first time because he had the reversing mirror with him when the gang used both yo-yo's to leave. Good Jack as well as Master Fung and Omi came out bad because they didn't have the Yang yo-yo. Was this changed in the episode "The Life and Times of Hannibal Roy Bean" so that they are now interchangable?
- Keep in mind that a Xiaolin Showdown alters the laws of reality in order to make things more interesting for the contest. Having the Yo-Yo's act as they did during the showdown certainly made it more interesting. Another possibility is that on the occasions when both were in the Ying-Yang World, the evil Kimiko would have every reason to have good Wuya head back to our world by means of a portal opened by the Ying Yo-Yo and return to evil and vice-versa. If neither of those satisfy you, just remember it's only a TV show, so don't sweat minor continuity gaffes. Caerwine 23:11, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
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- Or the effect could change during Xiaolin Showdowns...
- hmm... intersting. Wait? who altered my thing on the Ying/Yang Yoyos? Kimiko was bing stupid! now there's really no point in it being there! I don't think the effect would change, maybe, they do only leave their good chi and the chi monster gives it back/takes it away each time they return and dojo just made up the reversing mirror stuff?
[edit] List Order
The list of Shen Gong Wu is starting to get a bit long. Any opinions about switching to an alphabetic list? The appearance order also occurs in the episode list, so having it appear only there might be worth contemplating. Caerwine 00:27, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
I agree, it would be much easier to navigate if things were in alphabetical order rather than using the "Edit"/"Find" combo. - White Wolf Zita
I concur! it would be more useful for me and my roleplays, i LOVE this show, so i constantly use the Wu w/ my characters
Yes I role play myself , but I perfer this order. Its most useful to know which wu were first activated.
[edit] Wudai Weapons as Wu?
I am pretty sure that Wudai Weapons don't really count as Shen Gong Wu. They "chose" the person who uses them and I don't think they have been wagered in showdowns. Do they belong on this page? - White Wolf Zita
I agree, I think that the Wudai Weapons should be moved to their own page, since I'm pretty sure they're warrior-specific items.
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- As a note, if the Wudai Weapons were Wu, then Dojo would be able to sense them, and Jack would be after them. Also, Wu do what they do whenever anyone says their names, whether you know what they do or not (Jack doesn't know after Wuya left him). Also, many things other than Wu can be wagered in Showdowns (loyalty & the Treasure of the Blind Swordsman, for example). Speaking of the TBS, it is connected to the weapons, and is explicitly NOT a Wu, so the Weapons shouldn't be either.
The Wudai weapons ARE Shen Gong Wu. I'm guessing that the reason they don't wager them in a Xialon showdown, is because the Wudai weapons only works on the warriors they choose. For example, the Shimo Staff works for Omi. But, if somebody else used it, say Jack, it would either not work or backfire him. Besides, if you were given a special weapon just for you, you wouldn't want to wager it in a showdown and have a chance to lose it if you lost, wouldn't you? - Raistuumum
But did not Chase try to steal the Wudai weapons ? Perhaps they do work for others, only differently ?
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- Maybe, but he didn't use them, so we still don't know. - Raistuumum
Chase probably stole them just so the Xialon couldn't use them.
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- The Wudai Weapons are NOT Shen Gong Wu for this main reason: No one but the Xiaolin Dragons were after them. Jack was after the treasure, Wuya lied to Chase so she could go where the Weapons were, and neither she nor Dojo reacted to them. As in, not Shen Gong Wu...
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- "No one but the Xiaolin Dragons were after them." Read my post. "and neither she nor Dojo reacted to them." Yeah he did.
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- Can I end this argument? I hope so. All one needs for a theory is something that cannot yet be disproven. Your theory is out the window for a main reason: When did Dojo react? And if they were Shen Gong Wu, Wuya would never let the Xiaolin Dragons keep them (they took a blind old guy rather than the weapons). And Wuya needs all the Shen Gong Wu to regain her powers if she's already solid (can she beat Chase Young by herself?). If there is a flaw in my logic, I ask you this; When did Dojo react to the Weapons? He can feel approximately where Shen Gong Wu are, yet they used a map and the Crouching Cougar...
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Then shouldn't we list them (along with the treasure) on 'Other Mystical Objects' , or something ? Or should we simple keep them here.
Does Wuya need all shen gong wu to return to full power? I thought she was just waiting for the right one/s and no, they aren't Shen Gong Wu, they're Wudai Weapons
Do you think the Spear of Guan is Master Monk Guan's Wudai Weapon? Does he have one? I put a thing on the article about the possibility, but never said it was a Wudai Weapon. If you think it should not be there, You are free to delete it.
[edit] Shen Gong Roo
I'm confused about the Shen Gong Roo. Every single time I hear the name, it sounds like Shengaroo. In fact, I've never heard the second 'g' sound in the name. And it's not exactly like they sound very similar: Shen-Gong-Roo - Shen-Ga-Roo
Response: im almost positive that its shen-ga-roo
[edit] TCG Wu
I have been noticing that the tcg shen ga wu have been put along with this list , yet sometimes there not. Can we please decide to keep them or not already ! Its getting annoying. >_>
I think the Big question is, should the Bullhorn Blazer be put with TGC Wu or the Series Wu, as it was in the episode the black vipers
The page says both are acceptable Icylizard029
[edit] More Shen Gong Wu
The Shen Gong Wu in Known Shen Gong Wu are not the only unknown, in episode 106 Chameleon Jack took a strange thing from the Shen Gong Wu safe.
Really? Hmm, I'll have a look at it if the episode is on the tv. J.J.Sagnella 08:57, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Found Something. Quote from tv.com:"When Jack is plundering the Shen-Gong-Wu vault, the first thing he picks up is an item that looks a bit like a whistle. It is a sphere with two cones attached to it. This doesn't look like any Shen-Gong-Wu seen on the show before. (Edit)"
link:[[1]] The question is Is it a shen-gong-wu, or is it a personal item of the xiaolin monks? J.J.Sagnella 09:05, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
I believe it's a Shen Gong Wu, because it was on the Shen Gong Wu vault, and only Master Fung and Dojo know where the Shen Gong Wu where before Jack stole the vault, making difficult to it be a personal item.
Only Master Fung and Dojo? Did not the monks entered in the Shen Gong Wu vault in episode 2? And the green thing Jack took or is a Shen Gong Wu or maybe a magic object like the Treasure of Blind Swordman. If not, why Jack would want to steal it? 201.9.107.241
It's probrably a shen gong wu from an episode that never got aired, maybe we'll see it sometime, maybe we wont, maybe the production team could answer all our questions, maybe they can't
[edit] Omi's Wu
Omi has two main Shen Gong Wu. I updated the page with the Elemental Shen Gong Wu, but I need verification as to the name of Omi's. Also, someone has changed the 'Orb of Tornami' into the 'Orb of Tsunami'. Please look out for Omi's Shen Gong Wu, since the names are more confusing than the others apparently. ok and in one episode they all go into a cave too find a big haule of shen gong wu and they show some shen gong wu in their that they have never heard of or even seen in later episodes sorry this is supposed to be a colum up to more shen gong wu
[edit] Article problems
I have just noticed that the Shen Gong Wu names are always having changes (the Hoduko Mouse and the Silk Spitter have the record). Isn't it better if we decide wich name should stay? Almost all Shen Gong Wu names appeared in the scrolls, and the ones that don´t appear (like the two above) could have the names taken from the card game. Please, don't make changes in the names without having 100% sure that the name is correct. I don't know about the Shen Ga Wu and the others that don't appeared, but maybe in the videogame or in other place they name will appear... (close-captions names are not valid because sometimes they make mistakes) --201.9.14.92 06:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
=Another major problem is that people don't know where things go. Someone recently put the Ants in the Pants and the Cannon Blaster (revealed in Hannibal's Revenge, Feb. 25, 2006) before the Elemental Shen Gong Wu. All four Elemental Shen Gong Wu were used in that very episode, along with the Kuzusu Atom. Shen Gong Wu lists can be very confusing, but this list clearly states that they should be in order of appearance (so the Jetbootsu comes before the Monkey Staff, even though they were revealed in the same Showdown).
[edit] Unknown Shen Gong Wu
In the Shen Gong Wu Trove (The Crystal Glasses), only appeared in this order, a trumpet, Lasso Boa Boa (not three rings), a lamp, a silver thing that Jack was holding, Monsoon Sandals, a barette thing, and the Wushu Helmet. I don't have seen a small black staff on it. The only "staff" I have seen is the silver thing Jack was holding.
Doesn't Master Monk Guan find the Lasso Boa-Boa and the Monsoon sandals?
They appeared in the SGW Trove, and them reappeared later like they where not in the trove (weird isn't?). And the "trumpet" is the Woozy Shooter and the "silver thing" is the Silver Manta Ray on it's big size. The lamp is called The hang-chi lantern. --Jackexe 10:06, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
If there are hundereds of shen gong wu then the series is going to go on to season 7? i think that there is yet ANOTHER group of shen gong wu finders.
It's not obrigatory to show all the Shen Gong Wu. Many shows have incomplete features in the end, like the 88 zodiacal armors and the 108 Surplices in Saint Seiya (many of them don't appeared). There are 85 Shen Gong Wu, +4 Wudai Weapons and the Treasure of the Blind Swordsman. There is still a lot to be find. Maybe in the expansion packs of the TCG and in Konami's game will show more, (but I also hope to see more seasons and Shen Gong Wus). --Jackexe 23:14, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
- I would just like to note that the show itself held over 70 Shen Gong Wu in the first three seasons. Let's say seasons 4 & 5 were very good for the Shen Gong Wu lists. The biggest season was Season 2, with a lot of new Shen Gong Wu. If it follows this pattern of about 70 Shen Gong Wu within two seasons, it can reach over 200 with only 6 seasons. However, I would personally like it to go on only until a reasonable amount; Too many Shen Gong Wu would be hard to keep in a vault.
As for the mystery about the Shen Gong Wu disappearing; I cannot remember if Omi had the bag of Shen Gong Wu, and if not, then they could all have been washed away by the waterfall. Remember, the Lasso Boa-Boa was in a tree, and the Monsoon Sandals were in a wading pool. And, the most important piece of info: The Crystal Glasses were in a Russian museum that had very little chance of existing 1,500 years ago.
when people say the berrette thing, do th mean the pink shurikan-like object with 4 blades? I thought a berrette was a type of french hat
The Crystal Glasses was found in the museum before they have gone to the cave, and I also thing it looks more like a strange shuriken them a barrette. Who gonna want to use a sharp thing in the head?
i think that the lamp is the sun chi lantern 141.156.188.138
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[edit] I'm confused
if the emperor scorpion can control the wu, wouldn't it be all powerful?
- I believe it can only control the minds of the Shen Gong Wu; which means that the Sapphire Dragon and Sweet Baby would serve whoever holds it (along with anything using the Heart of Jong)
[edit] Non-confirmed
I believe you deleted my Kususu Atom post, and you posted on it a couple hours later. What do you have to say about that?
And what about this Mikado Arm? I never heard of it before.
- The Mikado Arm is the only Shen Gong Wu revealed in the 3rd season finale, which apparently aired in the UK before the US. As for your Kusuzu Atom post, it may have been due to misplacement. The articles are to be in order of appearance; also, anything you write may be edited, and so it may have just been edited to the point that it was no longer recognizable.
[edit] Shen Gong Wu Combos
The combos of Shen Gong Wu happen to not just be random coincidences:
- Sword of the Storm: A sword that becomes intangible to everything except the one holding it and the air around them, which it can control
- Eye of Dashi: A small amulet capable of generating infinite power, which can be released either as an attack, or in a manner similar to a battery
In this case, the Eye of Dashi super-powers the Sword to spread its power into the user as well
- Mosaic Scale: An odd Shen Gong Wu capable of doing anything, and will likely do so
- Monarch Wings: A Shen Gong Wu that is known only to grant extreme powers
If the Monarch Wings were to give you mastery of any particular power, you could use them with the Mosaic Scale to do anything you wish
- Fountain of Hui: A Shen Gong Wu which provides random knowledge to the user, at an unimaginable rate
- Eagle Scope: A Shen Gong Wu with the power to change one's point of view by making them take note of certain facts
To find the information one seeks using only the Fountain, they must look through everything in the way. Using the Eagle Scope, however, forces the user to only see what they want to know
- Ying Yo-Yo: A Shen Gong Wu that serves as a portal in and out of the Ying-Yang World. The exit toll is half of your chi; leaving will make you switch sides
- Yang Yo-Yo: A Shen Gong Wu that serves as a portal in and out of the Ying-Yang World. The exit toll is half of your chi; leaving will make you switch sides
Simply put, using both will make you switch sides twice per exit (if you're good, the Ying Yo-Yo's cost makes you bad, but then the Yang Yo-Yo's cost turns you good again)
[edit] More Problems
Someone added the 'Shoes of Running Really Fast' (Pandatown) to the Shen Gong Wu list, with mention of some other things. These were fake Shen Gong Wu used to trick Pandabubba's servants. As such, they should not be on the list. Also, something called the Bullhorn Blazer has been mentioned. I don't know if it's from the Card Game, or just a fan SGW. Could someone clarify, and if it is real, verify?
Yep, it's a real Wu from TCG that appeared in episode Black Vipers. Dojo uses the Changing Chopsticks on the cactus to take the Wu when they "escaped" from the Black Vipers with the "help" of Jessie. There is a pic of it with the Polar Paws, Mask of Rio, and Pearl of LiBai on this site put by someone in www.tv.com Xiaolin Showdown forum. It's not a good image when you click because of the tif format, but can see it better if right click on the link and save it with save as. --ip
[edit] Article Size
The article is really long, 67 kilobytes! I think we can do:
- 1- Make this divided by one article with season 1 & 2 Wu (here), and other with Season 3 (and 4 if have) and the rest (Wudai Weapons, TCG Wu, ...). Almost all Shen Gong Wu combos are from season 1 & 2, so it keep here. One article with only TCG Wu would take only little size. The only think I don't know is the name of the other article (Shen Gong Wu part 2? More Shen Gong Wu?).
- 2 - Make a article for the most used Wu and make a link to it (like the characters), but only most used like the Sword of the Storm, Orb of Tornami, Golden Tiger Claws, Changing Chopsticks, etc, not for all of them.
- 2.1 - Also can give the Wudai Weapons and the TCG Wu they own article?
- What ya think? We can also do something different. --ip
[edit] Created link to other page and transferred info there to save room
Nate 00:22, 21 April 2006 (UTC) I created link to other page and transferred info there to save room.
[edit] What IDIOT did this?
Somebody removed the link to the page that shows the known Shen Gong Wu! I will fix that at once. DO NOT DO THAT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nate 22:08, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Locked pages
Why are the "Usage" and "See Also" areas of this page locked? I see no reason to lock them, or to even have them on this page. They just get in the way.
Nate 22:17, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Made up Wu???
This is not relvent to the article. Interesting, yes, but not appropiate for Wikipedia. If you have any issues with this, please contact me. Typer525 Contact 23:09, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Moved to another place pending arguments to keep. Typer525 Contact 23:17, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Against Wiki What Wikipedia is not policy Typer525 Contact 00:28, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I think the Wu Combos section is getting a bit too big, I don't think that it should be random Combos that have been used, i.e. Star Hinabi, Orb of Tornami, and Sword of the Storm used in the deep freeze, and have Combos that have been specifically outlined in the show, Like ones with unexpected results, Shen gong Wu Siblings and/or Ones which Master Fung or Dojo or Wuya pointed out. And I don't think we should have Serpents tail - Reversing Mirror if we already have reversing mirror - Any. I don't really know about Monkey Staff - Tongue of Saiping as I haven't seen the episode, but from what I've heard it doesn't sound like a combo but it would be good to point out in the combos page.
[edit] Fan Made Combos
For the love of God, stop putting up combinations that have not appeared in the television series. They are not encyclopedic at all. Ryulong 00:47, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] shen gong wu creators
the wings of tanabe were NOT created by tanabe. tanabe is a city in japan. :)
- Actually, tanabi is Japanese for swan. Ryulong 17:33, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
but we gat the point, some people are indeed stupid
[edit] Gills Of Hamachi
The Gills Of Hamachi, if used w/ the reversing mirror, disallow swimming and water breathing. However, if they were used on, say, a mermaid, wouldn't it allow overwater breathing
- Very possible, but the listing of Gills of Hamachi under Reversing Mirror is what happens in the series when the two are used at the same time. Therefore, it's not going to be listed on the article. Ryulong 22:05, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Issues
Something needs to be done about this - since this page is about the Shen Gong Wu, shouldn't the actual Shen Gong Wu be listed here, and the combinations (and theories therein) listed on a seperate page? Also, some of the information listed is blatantly wrong, although I've already tried fixing some of it.
- New comments go at the bottom. Also, there is an entire page dedicated to the Known Shen Gong Wu and it was made because it made this article too long (the other page is getting long, too). There are no theoretical combinations listed on this page or false information. Any combinations listed have been seen on the show at one point or another, and the Reversed Shen Gong Wu have also been used on the show (to the best of my knowledge). I have worked to remove the various fake Shen Gong Wu added here and to the other page, as well as a mass of fan-created combinations of Shen Gong Wu. There was even an attempt to put a fan-character list at the end of this article, at one point. Ryulong 08:07, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] A removed combo
I had put in that the Glove of and Reversing Mirror repel objects when used together, but someone deleted it. However, I didn't just make that up. In 214: Screams of the Siren, Clay used this combo to repel Jack's Shark-bots. Please don't remove it.
[edit] Proposed merge
The List of Shen Gong Wu page shouldn't be merge here, and we should let it be deleted or turn it into a dab page linking to the three season pages. We don't want to create duplicate articles. Jay32183 22:40, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
