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Contents 1 POV Tag 2 Images 3 AL economics 4 President for life 5 Main page nom 6 Criticism of the Sheikh 7 Hostile pov 8 guerrilla 9 Picture Caption

[edit] POV Tag

Since I didn't see any justification for the POV tag placed yesterday despite request for explanation, I have removed it. Thanks. --Ragib 22:19, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Don't be so impatient. I'm not in the same time zone as you are, and haven't had time to set out my objections yet. Anyway, I found the following sentences to be POV:

• "the Pakistani military commenced one of the most atrocious genocides of the human history."
• "His assassination later in the year ended the promise of a secular, modern, democratic nation."
• "military leaders later claiming the full glory of the war of independence participated in what appears to be a plan initiated and executed by the then Dhaka station-chief of the CIA."

Unless you can link controversial claims to a REPUTABLE SOURCE, they constitute Original research, which is against Wikipedia's policy. I have rewritten the quoted sentences. David Cannon 23:44, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Ok, here are some answers to the points you raised

• Genocide - interesting, that's well supported, documented and referenced. Please refer to the rich collection of documents at [[Bangladesh Liberation War]. The total death toll was 1.5-3 million, according to different estimates.
• Assassination-ending-years-promise of secular state: I agree, this sounds POV of the person adding the line. Better removed!!
• CIA-connection : Here is a reference, from a book by Lawrence Lifschultz,then a journalist reporting on south asia, and now a Research Fellow, Center for International and Area Studies at Yale , "Title: BANGLADESH, THE UNFINISHED REVOLUTION Author: Lawrence Lifschultz Publisher: ZED Press Year: 1979". I don't have the book, but here are reports from Deccan Herald, Bangladesh Observer reports on the revealations. Quoting from the Deccan herald report, According to Lifschultz, Eugene Booster, then US Ambassador to Bangladesh repeatedly objected to the conspiracy and even issued written instruction in this regard, but then CIA Station Chief, Philip Cherry would not listen to him.. I hope this provides the reference you were looking for. Thanks. --Ragib 01:21, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Images

A lot of images and information on Mujib are available here. As noted by Rama's arrow, the pre-1956 images are in Public domain according to the copyright laws of Pakistan. --Ragib 06:32, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

• Further references: http://www.nybangla.com/15%20August/Main%20Page.htm has a lot of information, including text/image of the indemnity ordinance, the interview of Major Faruque and Rashid. A lot of it is in Bengali, but Shmitra and I can help with any translation. Thanks. --Ragib 06:38, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AL economics

"He remains the paramount icon of the Awami League, which continues to profess Rahman's ideals of socialism."

As best as I can remember, the Awami League officially embraced market economics sometime in the 1990s. So the above statement may be incorrect.. any way of verifying? --Peripatetic 18:19, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Well it has become a sorta socialist in name with limited support of free-markets. Its not like a communist party, and more like the Indian National Congress, in which it maintains socialism as one its key ideals. It is a left-wing party. This Fire Burns.....Always 19:41, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] President for life

I thought the 4th amendment had a provision that declared this verbatim, but now I'm confused whether it did it in the text. Of course, the effect was to make Mujib president for life, but the amendment itself may not have said so in text.

From http://banglapedia.search.com.bd/HT/C_0336.htm

"Fourth Amendment Act The Constitution (Fourth Amendment) Act 1975 was passed on 25 January 1975. Major changes were brought into the constitution by this amendment. The presidential form of government was introduced in place of the parliamentary system; a one-party system in place of a multi-party system was introduced; the powers of the jatiya sangsad were curtailed; the Judiciary lost much of its independence; the supreme court was deprived of its jurisdiction over the protection and enforcement of fundamental rights. This Act (i) amended articles 11, 66, 67, 72, 74, 76, 80, 88, 95, 98, 109, 116, 117, 119, 122, 123, 141A, 147 and 148 of the constitution; (ii) substituted Articles 44, 70, 102, 115 and 124 of the constitution; (iii) amended part III of the constitution out of existence; (iv) altered the Third and Fourth Schedule; (v) extended the term of the first Jatiya Sangsad; (vi) made special provisions relating to the office of the president and its incumbent; (vii) inserted a new part, ie part VIA in the constitution and (viii) inserted articles 73A and 116A in the constitution."

So, does anyone have a reference to the sentence? I know it must be and probably IS 100% true, but a reference might help. --Ragib 20:54, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Main page nom

I think this can be nominated for 15 August, his 31st assassination anniversary. --Ragib 03:30, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh hell no! As much as I'm a Wikipedian, that date has gotta have an article on India! Hehehee...This Fire Burns Always 03:32, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Congrats! to This Fire Burns Always and all other editors. Great work--ppm 15:15, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism of the Sheikh

It seems to me that someone hostile to Sheikh Mujib wrote the crticisms part. Calling him a rabble rouse and inept at leadership while not providing a link. Did a Paki write this? The links pointed to don't work....must be moved. Please rectify else I might add a POV tag.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.74.41.206 (talk • contribs).

What exactly is the problem? The links provided here work perfectly. Look at the references. The section you question does not provide any opinion, rather states what some historians opine, with references. Be specific in your comments. Thank you. --Ragib 21:50, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hostile pov

I would like to know why so many criticisms of this dude (very pov eg. 'rabble rouser') while the links which apparantly evidence this lead one to nowhere! Is this article being changed by a Pakistani? lol (Plz answer). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.74.41.206 (talk • contribs).

The article doesn't criticize, rather points out the opinion of some historians. If you can't find the references at the end of the article, I'd request you to look again. The quote in question has been backed by the reference: "Bangladesh in 1975: The Fall of the Mujib Regime and Its Aftermath, Talukder Maniruzzaman, Asian Survey, Vol. 16, No. 2, A Survey of Asia in 1975: Part II (Feb., 1976), pp. 119-129". It IS shown at the references section. Also, please refrain from making comments on any editors or any nationalities, rather comment on content. Thank you. --Ragib 22:15, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] guerrilla

"Mujib was arrested and a guerrilla war erupted between government forces and Bengali nationalists."-- the government forces weren't fighting a guerrila war--ppm 20:59, 9 February 2007 (UTC) UTC)

[edit] Picture Caption

Rahman's portrait in the start was captioned "GAY, GAY, GAY" for some reason. I've changed it to his full name.Zainub 12:18, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Good, some one's edited it before I could.Zainub 12:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Can someone thank me for my fabulous job with the article. Wheeeee. Zamkudi 12:59, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

All you did was fix some minor errors. You should be thanking Ragib and Rama's Arrow. 70.113.74.80 16:31, 10 February 2007 (UTC)