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Rather than listing the stops on the branches, would it be better to list the three routes (blue, yellow and purple)? And could we add the route map picture, or would that violate copyright? Marky1981 12:28, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I've listed the stops by the routes now. Just copying the map from the Supertram website would be a copyright violation, but I'll have a look into the matter... :) - ulayiti (talk) 21:06, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
I combined your lists into a single table. I hope that you think it looks OK. Otherwise just revert me. JeremyA (talk) 22:06, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
I added technical data taken from various sites on Tinternet but without copying wording. Data on the network and fleet is publicly accessible and useable. also added pics the other day and a link to a Supertram Gallery. Captain_Scarlet (talk) 15:10, 25 October 2005 (BST)

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[edit] rolling stock?

I am curious about the kind of rolling stock the system uses. -- Geo Swan 15:13, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

I put up the fact that it's Duewag, but I'm pretty sure the subsequent edit labelling it as the Siemens-Duewag U2 is incorrect; the U2 is a high-floor vehicle used in Calgary, while Sheffield's are low-floor. Having the same manufacturer doesn't make it the same vehicle. David Arthur 13:17, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Could anyone provide a good photo of the side of a Supertram? Most of the images are front-on images - two of which are almost identical and one could be removed? The only side-on image is obstructed by traffic lights and signposts, and the tram itself is covered in advertisements. Marky1981 13:43, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Hiya I live near the supertram route and can supply a side on image no problem. Just bear with me as I am having slight computer problems which is making it difficult to manage my digital photos but should be able to do it within a couple of weeks. No adverts or signposts this time honest. Mick Knapton 11:03, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Same here, i have side photos of Supertram (City Hall is a good place for side shots) but couldn't be bothered to upload a the photo. The photo is this one and would obviously be modified and without copyright band: Supertram side photo

[edit] Enough photos?

I think that five photos of supertram is more than enough for this article. I suggest that any editors wanting to contribute more supertram photos consider adding them to the Sheffield gallery at the commons rather than to this article. JeremyA 23:36, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

A gallery can be created at Wikimedia Commons for the article to display these photos, its better to have more photos than a short of photos. :D Agreed, this article has more than enough photos. --Terence Ong 04:58, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Livery

The Supertram is currently being given a new colour scheme, I think it's mostly blue (instead of white) with some red and orange. Theres one or two running at present and the whole fleet is going to be done. There is also changes to the interior with improved wheelchair space and perch seating. I agree theres enough photos but do we need to get some with the new livery. Anybody any thoughts ? Mick Knapton 15:17, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

I think that it would be good if the photos on this page covered all of the standard liveries that have been used so far (3 I think?). However, I also continue to think that the photo to text ratio is pretty high, so my preference would be that any new photos replace existing photos—always a difficult thing to do without upsetting people. Of what we have now, Image:Supertram Castle Square.jpg and Image:Supertram Cathedral 02-07-04.JPG are my favourites, and I think that Image:Supertram Sheffield Station 05-07-04.JPG is useful because it is the only one that shows off-street running. In Image:Sheffield Supertram.jpg there is a lot of junk (lamp posts etc.) between the photographer and the tram, and Image:Supertramhalf.jpg doesn't show much that the other photos don't already illustrate—so it is my opinion that these two photos could be moved out of the article (maybe they could go in other articles) and replaced with photos showing the new (or older) livery. That's just my opinion though... feel free to disagree. JeremyA 05:16, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

OK I'll try and get some photos with the new livery. Image:Sheffield Supertram.jpg is my own photo and it's already on Wikipedia Commons so there is no problem in replacing that one, I agree it's not the best although my grand-daughter has it stuck on her bedroom wall. If I replace Image:Supertramhalf.jpg I'll put that on Commons also. Regards Mick Knapton 20:34, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Refurbishment

"The new livery is similar to the Stagecoach Bus livery, but the doors are painted yellow so that it will fit in the Disablity Discrimination Act." Do Stagecoach busses also have colour contrasted doors? Have the cab controls of the Supertram ever been modified?Myrtone (the strict Australian wikipedian)User talk:Myrtone (the strict Australian wikipedian)

I can’t speak for all variants of the Stagecoach livery, particularly new ones, but having contrasting doors is a railway thing, required by law; if a bus has them, it’s only for aesthetic reasons (which, given that the railway operators had to be forced to adopt them, seems unlikely). David Arthur 12:45, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] contact wire diameter dubious

The wire used is 107 mm diameter contact wire.

That's a mighty big wire. perhaps it should be 10.7mm?

[edit] Supertram Stops

OK guys, what is going on here? The table at the bottom of the page list all the tram stops, and I'd say we have several categories of links:

and finally:

Guys, we have to sort this out! So, if there are no objections in the next few days, I'm going to start creating a page for every tram stop using the title tramstopname_tramstop. This will have the Supertram template (below), and convention:

  • Yellow: Start - Meadowhall -> end - Hillsborough
  • Blue: Start - Halfway -> end - Malin Bridge
  • Purple: Start Herdings Park -> end - Meadowhall

I realise this will look silly between city centre and Meadowhall, with Centertainment preceeding Arena/Don Valley on Yellow but following it on Blue, but I cannot think of any other way to do this. Here is the tram template table:


Preceding station Sheffield Supertram Lines Following station
Leppings Lane   Yellow Line   Terminus

Any objections/comments/critisism/advice, please post! L.J.Skinnersomething to say? 01:43, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

edit: Additionally, I've started a template, based on what's in the main article. You can see it here L.J.Skinnersomething to say? 02:37, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

The Sheffield Project had talked about the Sheffield Supertram articles and we had concluded that there was little interest in creating articles for tram stops as they are featureless platforms. To get rid of red links it would be far more advantageous to link stop places to places rather than tram stop article. what's a tram stop article to have? two platforms, shelter, a tram stops there every 10 minutes. The is little individualism to a tram stop that only a station can possess and relegates tram stops to a place in a table rather than an individual existence. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 10:25, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
I think a stop could talk about frequecy of services, distance from main stops, distance from local landmarks and then link to other features of the area. eg Hillsborough. L.J.Skinnersomething to say? 11:51, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Additionally, the template you've created is a duplicate and already exists for tram systems in general. It is rather useless as it only features the preceding stops and in the case of stations offers no overview of where the article lies. See my coments above, the question's already been asked. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 10:30, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
The template is the one in existence - I was showing i as an example to illustrate my plan for the convention of following/preceeding stop. L.J.Skinnersomething to say? 11:51, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Captain Scarlet here. Most of the tram stops are little more than bus stops with a raised platform. Much of the information that could be put in articles on the stops could easily be included in an expanded table within the main supertram article. —JeremyA 14:37, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
I do honestly think it's worth doing, and I would be willing to do it! Nottingham_Express_Transit have a page for each stop, and they are literally just stubs, but I think I could expand ours to show what amenities are local to each stop (please see my example of the Hillsborough stub). This would create a great link between all the areas of the city, the Sheffield sub-pages, the districts of Sheffield template and woul improve user's navigation around the city's articles. Please see my initial post, and I'm sure you'll agree, we currently have a real bloody mess! L.J.Skinnersomething to say? 14:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
What you wish to feature in these articles goes against Wikipédia conventions and rules. 1/ Wikipedia is not an indescriminate colection of information and 2/ Wikipedia is not a directory. What the Sheffield Project concluded in this matter was that creating such a vast collection of articles would be both pointless and contradict Wikipedia rules. An article should not be initiated if it is to remain a stub. Something worth writing about will be written about, what doesn't, such as a vast number of identical tram stops should be contained on Sheffield Supertram in the stops listing/network. Featuring local amenities would mean breaking the Wikipedia is not a tourist guide rule. I commend you keeness but it is not that that I refute. Including each and every tram stop article in each and every place article of Sheffield also contradicts rules and transforms this encyclopedia into a travel guide, if this is your field of interest, Wikitravel should be where your information should be included, not Wikipedia. I'm afraid if such information would be featured, it would have to be edited out as any other content that contradicts established rules. Lists are accepted, although frowned upon, directories are not. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 16:53, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
OK, fair enough - I take you point. Would it be reasonable though for every area with a nearby tram stop (eg Meadowhall, Hillsborough Park, Sheffield_Midland_station etc) to have the tram template at the bottom? As we currently have on Fitzalan Square? L.J.Skinnersomething to say? 23:46, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
No it would not, for the reasons stated above. If Supertram has an influence, a history influencing the place, then yes. Placing the next/previous stop template on area articles would be the same as doing it in individual tram stop articles: wikipedia is not a timetable. Creating a substanceless ressource of tram stops and interchanges goes againstthe rules stated above. What Wikipedia is about is what is mostlèy already present in the Sheffrield Supertram article; dates, fact, data, properties; wether a tram stops there or not is of travel guide relevance. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 00:20, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Signals - not Sheffield-specific

The special tram signals are the same signals as in use for every tram system across the UK; they have a section of their own in the highway code. We should probably split this information off into a separate article, if it is even needed at all. --VinceBowdren 16:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I was unsure as to wether the signalling was Supertram specific or not. I'm sure it'd find itself useful on the Tram article or a subsection/article on Tramway (+practice) in the UK. This signalling is not used on all tram systems, Blackpool, as far as my trip this Summer I can remember doesn't use it. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 17:40, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
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