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[edit] Arabic Spelling

My arabic is not all that great, either that or my computer's blurry, but is the arabic spelling of her name correct? from what i read, it looks like it would be pronounced shaLkira, not shakira... anybody know?

[edit] Tour Anfibio

In the article it says: "In March 2000 Shakira embarked on her Tour Anfibio, a three-month tour of Latin America and the United States." However, upon clicking on Tour Anfibio the article there says that the tour was two-months long. I've looked for her performances here [1] and of course in our Wiki article here [2] and apparently it did last two months. I've gone ahead and edited the article. If anyone thinks it should still be 3 months long please discuss. Thanks! --LethalAmbition 22:01, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MySpace

Is this her official MySpace page? 70.48.166.140 18:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes.

[edit] Single

In the first paragraph it says 'Singel' i think it should be single but it could be spanish but i don't know

This has appeared to be fixed. Josh 23:15, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding the unflattering image

OK, this has been in debate for quite a while. Lets try and get it settled... the user User:Abu badali insists that this free image should be used.[3]

Despite the fact that almost weekly, users upload a more recent photo (the Badali image is from 2005), where Shakira isn't pulling an unusual face. These are almost instantly removed and put up for deletion by Badali..

Many users have protested the use of this image on the talkpage, in favour of using one which is more recent, and more representative of the artists look... for example.

  • I think the picture of her at the Wal-Mart shareholders meeting is unflattering. The picture of her receiving the MTV award is better and should be reinstated as the main picture at the top of the article. - SCRA5071 (talk • contribs)
  • Honestly. She doesn't walk around with a butterface 99% of time. It would be better if we added an album picture if it was this hard to find a live one. -- Osx85 (talk • contribs)
  • Found new free photo, hope this one is better. - Dbertman (talk • contribs) (his image was later deleted)
  • Please, Somebody change that infamous picture for Christ sake!! - Gonzakun (talk • contribs)
  • many other pages don't have free pictures, if there aren't any good ones. E.g. there are very unflattering pictures of Drew Barrymore, but the main picture is from one of her movies. So why not a screencap from one of her videos? I used a picture from Hips Don't Lie, I realize it isn't free. But it is fairuse, and we can roll with it for now. - Yanksox (talk • contribs)
  • The picture is outdated. This image however is from this year , the other picture barely resembles what she looks like and should not be used on the article. - Deathrocker (image was later removed)
  • The main picture of Shakira should be replaced by a worhtier one, the current one does not help this article as a whole. The picture itself seems to be appropiate for this article. There are far better looking ones of her. It has been replaced for a better version but someone keeps changing it to this unworthy photograph. — Toosmart215 (talk • contribs)
  • That is a horrible picture though. - Horses In The Sky (talk • contribs)
  • It's a photoshopped image, anyway. She doesn't have that large a chin no matter what angle you use. . . - unsigned
  • I believe it is fair use to use the MTV screenshot, low-res version, to identify the MTV awards that Shakira was a part of. See fair use for program ID. It would not be fair use if the caption did not mention the program---but it does. - 69.142.21.24 (talk • contribs)
  • All these quotes aposed to the use of the derogatory image, can be found in the following link[4]

Now then... the official policy regarding publicity images states, and I quote; "If it is possible to replace the publicity image with a new, free, image of similar value to the reader then the free image must be used in preference to the restricted and copyrighted publicity photograph."[5]

The free image which is in place of a publicity image is not new, it is from 2005. The subject has a different look and promotional pictures which came out around the time of her most recent tour (this year) can be found.

It also states of "similar value to the reader", many users as shown above through community concensus, have stated that they find the image devoid of value as it is particully unflattering and that they want another image in its place. I suggest it be replaced with a more recent promotional image, until a free one of similar value can be produced, as the current derogatory image fails the policy in regards to images it was replacing in the first place[6]. - Deathrocker 23:40, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

In acordance with Wikipedia community concensus and the policy regarding retaining article value (which the badali image failed), as shown above, I have replaced the image with this, more recent promotional one; [7]. Until a suitable free, new replacement can be found, that doesn't degrade the value of the article. - Deathrocker 08:16, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

It violates WP:FU though which is policy and Jimbo himself discouraged promo photos. A better free image should be found though, maybe talk to the promo photoplace its self and check if they can release one under a free licence. Jaranda wat's sup 21:20, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shakira's genre

Please change Shakira's genre. She's not just Latin Pop and Dance Music. She's also heavily influenced by rock. She's also Rock en Español and Alternative. I think you guys really need to listen to her music rather than just her singles in order to say what genre she's in.

Shakira is is pop singer who has (in the past) recorded rock songs. So are Kelly Clarkson, Paulina Rubio, Belinda, and even Thalia. She is not representative of the Latin Rock genre. She is also a pop singer that has recorded reggeaton songs. A comparison must also be made to Luis Miguel who despite being a GREAT ranchera singer is not viewed the same way as a Vicente Fernandez or Pablo Montero. Luis Miguel is first and foremost a pop singer. Hope this helps.
The dancing that Shakira does for "La Tortura" is clearly adapted from West African tribal dancing and not belly dancing. Considering she comes from a city with a heavy African cultural influence it would make sense that Shaki would borrow those moves.

I removed Pop music from the genres in the infobox, and I noticed it was re-added, so let's discuss. Shakira's first three albums are obviously Latin pop since they were pop in Spanish. Her two English albums have also been classified as Latin pop by All Music Guide.[8][9] Since Latin pop is a subgenre of pop and is much more descriptive, it's my opinion that Latin pop should be used in place of pop. Using both seems unnecessary since a Latin pop artist is a type of pop artist. ShadowHalo 06:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Que Me Queues Tu

Minor translation thing. In the article, "Que Me Quedes Tu" was translated as "That You Stay With Me." This is not really correct. If you want to be literal about it this should be translated as "That You May Stay With Me" or "That You Should Say With Me" (or slightly less literally, "May You Stay With Me"). Since obviously these sound strange in contemporary English, more appropriate translations would be "I Hope You Stay With Me," "I Hope You Will Stay With Me," or simply "Stay With Me." The song's producers would probably use "Stay With Me" since this is what an American would generally say. But I expect many fans would prefer "I Hope You Stay With Me" since it is slightly closer in meaning to the Spanish. --Mcorazao 21:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Que me quedes tú - I hope you stay with me" is also incorrect

Is funny talk about this, Im not discussing anything really important here.

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Also in spanish, ..."Que me quedés tú" doesnt make sense without another part. You can add:

"ESPERO que me quedes tú" (I HOPE that you stay with me)

Makes more sense.

Ok, there is another problem. "Que me quedes tu" doesnt talk about "stay with me". Is talks more about "having another option left" in case of a problem or when no other options are available. Is more like this example:

"Espero que me quede otra moneda en el bolsillo"

I hope that I have another coin left on my pocket

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By the way, I see I'm the wrost spanish teacher in the world hehehe. But I hope this can entretain somebody.

the correct translation for "Que me quedes tú" based on the regional language context were she is from in Colombia is kind of a wishful expression, "[I wish] you are the result for me" or "...That my result be you"... --F3rn4nd0 17:25, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
By the way, please sign your comments!! press [shift] + the button by the left of you numeber one button [1] with the symbol ~ and pressing it four consecutive times! --F3rn4nd0 17:40, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] An Celebrated

Um, in the first paragraph it says that Shakira is "an celebrated singer-songwriter." Does anyone else see a problem with this?


~~ I have to agree with the fact the Shakira is more rock influenced, unlike Kelly Clarkson, Paulina Rubio, Belinda, Thalia who have their songs written and produced for them. If you do more research the love that Shakira has for rock music is very obvious. In fact MOST of her songs are based on rock music. Though she have many worldy additions to her music like the Arabic doumbek and reggaeton beat from the Carribean, this does not dimish her classic rock atitude. May I also add that she writes her own music so it's not that any of this is forced on her. She deserves at least the genre of Spanish Rock (Rock en Expañol)

About the comment above mine, it is very true that La Tortura has a African Tribal influence in the instrumental part of the song, there is still a very belly dance feel to her moves in the same part and through out the song, especially where she sings the part which ends the chorus "con ese hueso y nos decimos adios" she exhibits the move called "piston hips" as it is know by many popular Cabaret Belly Dancers. Her chest pops are also derived from very legitimate belly dance style that is commonly used. Nicolasytony 08:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC

[edit] Guitar

Does Shakira play guitar? I know I've seen her playing a guitar in the music videos for "Estoy Aquí", "Pies Descalzos, Sueños Blancos", "Objection/Te Aviso, Te Anuncio", and "[10]", but does she actually play? —ShadowHalo 08:06, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, she does, actually you can watch her mtv unplugged to see and hear how she can play the guitar and the harmonica Soda-POP 08:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes find any performance of her song Inevitable and you'll see her playing the guitar. She also played a guitar on Don't Bother on her Oral fixation tour.

shakilover 03:27, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

She does play the guitar. Also, random knowledge, there are performances/songs where she has played the harmonica. --Idolmonkey 21:55, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Albums Sales

It's been officialy confirmed shakira has only sold 3 million albums worldwide. yet this page says shes sold 40 million albums. i think fans are changing it because theyre fans and not using factual information. please find a real source of information and use official sale amounts.


Well, it was stated that she had sold over 30 million albums before Fijacion Oral and Oral fixation were released. These two albums sold approximately 4 million and 5.5 million respectively. bringing her total close to 40 million.

shakilover 03:26, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Data on this page is highly inflated. According to United World Charts, which is referenced for another stat, Laundry Service has sold 9.55 million worldwide. Shakira - Oral Fixation Volume 2 sold 4m. Other data is also available there.

That's because the United World Charts only count albums sales when they are in the top 40. For example if an album sells 40,000 copies but it doesn't make the top 40 then United World Charts doesnt count that when they show the total sold. But yes have to agree album sales are very much inflated, I've been changing them to more reasonable figures but they keep putting up those made up figures.


Shakira is from ColOmbia, not ColUmbia, this mistake happens all the time and as a native ColOmbian, I find it very insulting that people don't know the difference between a country and a district, but never confuse Britney Spears and Paris Hilton.

shakilover 06:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

This article has been tagged with {{verify}} for nearly three months now, way too long for such a publicized subject. I've added {{fact}} where citations seem to be needed; if the items can't be cited, they need to be removed per Wikipedia:Verifiability. ShadowHalo 04:21, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank god the article has been put on semi-protection. Let's find the sources guys, the article looks ugly with all those [citation needed]s in there! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LethalAmbition (talk • contribs) 01:35, 28 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Goat vocalist

Messy Thinking 22:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC) I've noticed that there's nothing in the current article concerning the comparisons she drew to a goat. Since it seems to be everywhere biographical info on her can be found, the goat comparisons must have shaped her career significantly.

Oh, and this article has something else to say about her famous behind.

If it was ever in there, it was probably taken removed for being unsourced controversy (see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Remove unsourced or poorly sourced controversial material). I've added the comparison in (with a reference to BBC News). ShadowHalo 06:50, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name Inconsistency.

I have noticed an inconsistency with Shakira's name. OIn the infobox to the right, it says her full name is Shakira Isabel Mebarak Ripoll Reath, while the first paragraph says her full name is Shakira Isabel Mebarak Ripoll. Which is correct? Acalamari 03:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Possibly a change from birth name to current name? Josh 23:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Americanized Article

The fact that Shakira performed Rock en español and only became a "pop star" 10 years into her career in 2001 when she crossed over into the English speaking market, is totally ignored. Notice how on the Spanish article it says "pop rock" as the genre?

I'm putting Rock en español back in her infobox. - Deathrocker 20:28, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name of the song Hips Don't Lie [En Español]?

Is it Será Será, or is it Las Caderas No Mienten? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.93.211.92 (talk) 11:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's "Las Caderas No Mienten (Será Será)"--LethalAmbition 18:56, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Nope, spanish version for that song is called "Será, será (las caderas no mienten)" even the phrase "las caderas no mienten" is only a literal translation of "hips don't lie" and that phrase does not appear on the spanish version. Soda-POP 08:09, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Meaning of name

Arabic شاكرة means literally "woman who gives thanks" in Arabic, not really "graceful" (more like "grateful"), according to standard dictionaries... AnonMoos 08:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dancing Section Citation

The article says a citation is needed for: "She has had several belly dance choreographers, including award-winning Bellydance Superstar Bozenka."

Bozenka's biography page states "Bozenka has choreographed for Latin pop star Shakira..." here: http://www.bozenka.biz/bio.html 20:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reath

WTF is that? Someone is putting "this" on the complete name of Shakira. Soda-POP 17:04, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

At the age of eight, after an older brother was killed in a motorcycle accident (?), Shakira became inspired to write her first song, which is entitled "Your Dark Glasses" and documents her father's grief. Soda-POP 17:06, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

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