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New "Welcome Singaporean" template!

I just created a new template at {{Template:Welcomesg}} so that we can insert them easily into any new suspected Singaporean we come across here. Comments are welcome, and please feel free to edit that template if you deem it neccesary. I unabashedly merged text from multiple welcome pages to come up with this one...hehehe.--Huaiwei 14:49, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Looks good, I'm using it; :D --Vsion 04:34, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

DYK

The DYK section featured on the main page is always looking for interesting new and recently expanded stubs from different parts of the world. Please make a suggestion.--Peta 02:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Continuously doing so! —Sengkang 02:17, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
We do get lots of great items from Singapore, thanks :) Keep up the good work. --Peta 02:23, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Re : Loke Yew

I was informed about an article, Loke Yew which appears to look like a cut-and-paste. Instead of an outright deletion for non-notability a quick background check appears that some facts are verifiable and correct [1] [2] , and the person is notable. Any takers to do a clean-up, or perhaps a rewrite for this one? - Mailer Diablo 14:55, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

  • It has been deleted as copyvio, but if anyone can do a rewrite still that'd be good. - Mailer Diablo 15:15, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
    • I have to mug, my Maths is goyak and I need to practice it, I can't even solve some factorisation questions. :X Maybe after 27 October, but Loke Yew is not that notable after all. --Terence Ong (T | C) 15:19, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Ivy Goh Nair

I'm not sure whether this person is notable or not. Google says no. Will somebody please have a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ivy Goh Nair. Thanks. utcursch | talk 08:04, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Pure vanity, person is non-notable. Never heard of her. I've heard of Ivy Singh Lee not Ivy Goh Nair. The former is a netballer association president and runs a veggie farm in Kranji. --Terence Ong (T | C) 10:28, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey fellow Singaporeans/Singapore-phils, please note that the Editor/creator himself, Chandran Nair has requested (on 20 Oct 06) that the article Ivy Goh Nair be withdrawn because the debate page had degenerated in to personal attacks and deletion of positive comments by users. This was posted on the notice board here after the request was made. Further comments while they are possible since Wikipedia is a such a free site, would call into question the motives of these users. This is only common sense!Ivygohnair 08:08, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedians who wish to follow the full discussion of the debate on Ivy Goh Nair should see also Talk:IvygohnairIvygohnair 09:32, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 15:11, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Meetup

Hello, the meetup maybe on these dates. November 24 or 25 or both days, do leave your name at the meetup page if you can make it. If you have any enquiries, you may contact me. --Terence Ong (T | C) 16:08, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Notice

I would just like to draw fellow Singaporean's attention to edits by one particular user by the name of User:Instantnood. For example, see his attempts to refer to Singapore as a Single-party state [3] [4] [5] and his comments in Talk:Pedra Branca, Singapore. This user has been known to engage in prolonged disruptive editing, and I have long noticed his curious edits on Singapore related articles, often in childish response to my edits on HK-related articles. It is by no coincidence that he is banned from editing the Singapore article itself.--Huaiwei 15:54, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

"Single-party state" is descriptive, and not necessarily negative nor positive. Singapore is described as a "single-part state" not only on Wikipedia [6] [7], including an academic from the NUS [8]. The reason why I was barred from editing the article on Singapore because you insisted that the abolished City Council had duties over the entire Singapore (which was not true), and the entirety of modern Singapore is officially defined as or designated to be one city. In what way were my comments [9] [10] at talk:Pedra Branca, Singapore disruptive? — Instantnood 18:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Removed requested article

I have removed this requested article, Narasimha (band) from the notice board as it will likely be deleted if created. In this website, it is stated that the band from Singapore had only released one album so far. This fails WP:MUSIC guidelines. Moreover, all the songs which this band has released as not has any charted hits in this country. This band has not gone in for any international tour so far. So, in conlusion, this request should be deleted from the notice board. If anyone disagrees with this view, your comments would be deeply appreciated! --Siva1979Talk to me 08:31, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Removed requested article

I have removed Far East Plaza Kids from the to create section as this article will most likely be deleted if created. A google search for this subject shows only three unique hits. This shows that it fails notability guidelines. If anyone objects to this, your comments would be greatly welcomed! --Siva1979Talk to me 12:19, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Singaporean Arts and Entertainment

Description

Hello! I am interested to see if any SGpedians will be interested in a WikiProject for Singaporean arts. Our scope will include:

as well as the people involved, such as Singaporean actors, musicians and writers. Like all WikiProjects, we will focus on menial yet exciting tasks such as creating new articles, cleaning up articles, and setting consistent standards across articles of the same scope. If enough people join the project, we could even set up a separate task force for each different aspect of Singaporean arts! Not only would the project be awesome, we'd also be helping out the myriad of pages on Singaporean entertainment that are in sore need of cleanup and expansion. -ryand 11:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Interested SGpedians

Sign below if interested!
  1. I have been pushing for such a WikiProject for some time, but failed to get it rolling. I have made major contributions to several articles on Jack Neo movies (see Homerun (film), I Not Stupid and I Not Stupid Too) and minor contributions to several articles on Singapore TV shows and actors. I'm interested in making further contributions to articles on Singapore TV shows (the 9pm drama serials on Channel 8) and movies (Jack Neo movies). --J.L.W.S. The Special One 11:10, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
  2. Interesting. --Terence Ong (C | R) 11:24, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

Add any additional comments!
  • Comment - No one up for making these articles not suck? :( -ryand 12:35, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Not all the arts and entertainment topics are mentioned in your list. If we start, please also include them in. Thanks. --Terence Ong (C | R) 11:24, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Such as? "Arts and entertainment" is a term that can be applied very loosely... -ryand 19:02, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
  • The project is up. -ryand 14:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Deleted potential article

I have deleted a potential article Keppel Viaduct, from the to create section of the noticeboard as it would most likely go through an AfD nomination if created. A google search shows up only two unique hits. This lack of reference would likely cause this article to be deleted. Moreover, in my humble opinion, I do not think that the subject matter of this article is encyclopedic in nature. However, if any Wikipedian could give reliable sources for this article and write this article in such an encyclopedic style, I would definitely try to chip in some information. But at the present, I do not think that Wikipedians, especially from other countries would support in keeping this article on Wikipedia (Of course, being a Singaporean, I would like to see this article on Wikipedia, but on further research, I have to reluctantly agree that the subject matter is not notable under Wikipedia standards, yet). --Siva1979Talk to me 15:01, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

The above argument also applies to the requested article, Marina Square Kids. A google search shows up only four unique hits. --Siva1979Talk to me 15:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
The requested article, Kendrick Lee should also be removed. The main reason is that he has not won anything major yet. For example, this webpage shows that the above mentioned badminton player has not even competed at an Olympic meet. However, I wish to add that a google search shows about 700 unique hits. --Siva1979Talk to me 16:01, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
NO, Kendrick Lee shouldn ot be removed. A Commonwealth Games participant is considered good enough to be included on Wikipedia. We shall see his performance at the Asian Games in Doha. But definitely he is notable, and meets WP:BIO. Kendrick has represented Singapore at a very high level and we should be proud of that. --Terence Ong (C | R) 11:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Kendrick Lee is considered the second-best Singaporean player after Susilo. Not notable enough? Meanwhile, Keppel Viaduct has been the longest viaduct in Singapore for a decade or so, and has been the solution to link two major expressways together. Not notable enough also?--Huaiwei 15:33, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, there is no harm in creating the article on Kendrick Lee. But I feel it would be better if this article was created after the Asian Games as it will less likely be posted on AfD. Quite a number of Singapore related articles was deleted as well by the Wikipedia community. For example, a few of the articles about our athletes who represented Singapore at the South-East Asian Games were deleted, citing notability concerns, a few months back. As for the subject on Keppel Viaduct, getting reliable sources on the net might be a problem here. But there is no harm trying to create an article about this as well. --Siva1979Talk to me 20:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
We can always archive a copy in our sandbox. Something like Wikipedia:SGpedians' notice board/Keppel Viaduct for example, to save it in case it's deleted. --Rifleman 82 20:36, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

{{User Singapore}}

I've noticed that {{User Singapore}} causes an extra line break when transcluded onto other pages. Can someone look into it?
--ZhongHan (Email) 17:08, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Military history of Singapore

Okay guys. Haven't interacted much with those here collectively, but some have seen my work in Singapore-related topics. Started a new article which is strangely lacking since there is so much info on the "now" but not the "then". Only one section is halfway complete, that is the post-war period. How we can help: the Library of Congress reference at the bottom actually has not a bad story to tell. Rather than cut-and-paste, I've been rephrasing, summarizing, wikifying and supplementing with other articles already extant. If you have a bit of time, you can pitch in by doing the same from this source, and any others you can find. --Rifleman 82 19:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


Pedra Branca

Do note, that the above article, which was (disputedly) moved to Pedra Branca, Singapore by an anon, is now being proposed to be moved to Pulau Batu Puteh by, you guessed it, a Malaysian. See Talk:Pedra Branca, Singapore for the full discussion, which is currently on-going as I speak.--Huaiwei 14:42, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I Not Stupid for GA?

There are currently 3 Singaporean GAs: Singapore, History of Singapore and Singapore Changi Airport.

I have been working on I Not Stupid since September, and I believe it is close to GA status. Several of my Wikifriends have agreed with me during discussions on MSN Messenger.

I invite all SGpedians to read the article, and help me improve it to GA status.

Several points:

  • Please leave the Plot section alone for now. I know it sucks, but I'm going to thoroughly rewrite it. Once I rewrite it, I welcome everyone to copyedit it.
  • We should create a "Jack Neo movies" template to place at the bottom of articles about Jack Neo movies. Could someone with more experience in wiki markup help me create it? As far as I know, there are 10 Jack Neo movies: Money No Enough, Liang Po Po: The Movie, That One No Enough, I Not Stupid, Homerun (film), The Best Bet, I Do I Do, One More Chance (film), I Not Stupid Too and Just Follow Law. I created the template, and Vsion formatted it. Done.
  • The Political satire section is unreferenced. Will it affect I Not Stupid's GA chances? If so, should we delete it? Could we find any references for that section? (The rest of the article is well-referenced, except for the Plot section, which doesn't need references.)
  • Is there enough information to write a Production section with references? If not, will the lack of a Production section affect I Not Stupid's GA chances?
  • Are these screenshots fair use? If so, which should I use in the article?

Hopefully I Not Stupid will become Singapore's fourth GA by the end of November!

--J.L.W.S. The Special One 10:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeap, our cultural-related articles have been relatively neglected compared to articles on infrastructure, history, etc. It is good to get one culture/arts-related article up for GA as a start. The references and production content are indeed lacking. I guess we have to research more in these areas. Isn't there a theme song for the movie? --Vsion 02:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I think that the Cast, Reception and Sequels sections are adequately referenced. The Plot section doesn't need references - it just needs rewriting. Only the Political satire section lacks references. We should decide whether to reference it, delete it or leave it alone.
Due to the lack of information and references available for Singaporean topics, it will be difficult to write a good and well-referenced Production section. We will need to decide what information should go into the Production section (music? shooting? writing? crew?) and find referenced information. To answer Vsion: yes, the movie does have a theme song.
Two other articles - Singapore 2006 and Singapore general election 2006 - are close to GA status. Please consider working on them as well. At the end of the month, I will nominate Daniel Brandt, I Not Stupid, Singapore 2006 and Singapore general election, 2006 for GA status.
--J.L.W.S. The Special One 03:49, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject

(cut from preceding discussion) To the sgpedian community: Remember we were once discussing if we should turn this notice board community into a project community (and didnt do it because the functionality is basically the same)? I would be quite amused if we find ourselves having to do the switch for no better reason than Thadius856's comments, but we might very well have to! Ridiculousness on a bright Sunday morning. :D--Huaiwei 23:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

It appears that our community, being a notice board rather than a wikiproject, has implied a lack of legitimacy. So, how do we turn it into a wikiproject? Can we get it done now? --Rifleman 82 23:34, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
User:Mailer diablo has done the marvellous thing of adding SGpedians' Resources,. our de-facto extension of WikiProject's functions within this notice board. Kudos to him! A number of us are now busy grading sg-related articles and declaring them as part of this "NB-Project". ;)--Huaiwei 12:59, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
To be honest I decided to extend it because I was too lazy to convert. And I don't think our resources are big enough to have a really active WikiProject around. ;) - Mailer Diablo 21:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I've been waiting for this importance-and-quality ratings for a long time :D. Btw, aren't we too conservative in placing articles in the Category:Top-importance Singapore articles? There is only one article there so far. I would think that all the "main articles" listed under the main sections in Singapore should be Top-importance articles, which give us about 10 top-importance articles. This will give us a broader spectrum for rating the other articles. Any comments? --Vsion 22:26, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes that's very true. I was wondering the exact same thing. I was having some issues deciding importance of military articles:simply coz there are too many steps in their "hierachy" of sorts. and only a three-step importance scale to rely on. ;)--Huaiwei 22:39, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Seems like everyone is up and about early this morning. I've recatted 10 articles. I hope you do agree with my assessment. I chose mostly articles which are either significant in our history or culture. --Rifleman 82 22:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh btw, did anyone notice we are already considered a "Wikiproject" of sorts in Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Geographical. The thing is you have to look for us under the China section [11]!--Huaiwei 13:15, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Moved to Singapore. Sheesh. -Rifleman 82 13:52, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

My God I love this table [12]! ;)--Huaiwei 16:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I was looking at Wikipedia:WikiProject China and Wikipedia:WikiProject Canada, and I suddenly had a change of heart. It dosent look too much work to form a wikiproject page based on that template, and move some of our more collaborative-based functionalities currently in our notice board to the Wikiporject while maintaining the notice board for what its meant to be...notices of good work, new articles, and so on. Of course if we are up to it, we can always evolve into the likes of Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia later, but do the rest of you think we can manage with the simplier version as characterised by the first two egs, or if this is needed at all?

Your opinions please!--Huaiwei 16:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Since we are expecting a spike of contributions during november and december, I would say be ambitious and go for the Aussie model. I especially like the table of importance-quality matrix. One thing, please don't call the subgroups "departments" (sounds too bureaucratic), call them "teams" or something that sounds nicer. --Vsion 17:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I was hoping everybody would like the new assessment table. I was giving it quite a push and thankfully Olev agreed that it was doable. It seems like the exact reasons why I was trying to get it created are panning out to be the case here. I'm astounded, however, at the massive rate which assessment has already commenced. The only problem is that the template doesn't always transclude correctly, most noticeably when trying to float it next to another wikitable.
Don't have enough active members to be a WikiProject? You've got to be kidding me. My mind is blown by the massive amount of effort thats already gone into assessment alone in the last couple of days. Surely you guys have seen tiny projects floating around, such as WikiProject Yukon Territory Roads, WikiProject Myrtle Beach or WikiProject Silver Dollar City? WikiProject Singapore would be extremely helpful, if not already desperately needed. :) thadius856talk 04:16, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
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