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Farewell Miborovsky

Miborovsky has left Wikipedia for good I suppose, it is a sad departure of him leaving so sudden. A great loss of a great SGpedian. --Terence Ong Talk 09:33, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

He's come back to vote on the arbcom elections; hope he stays around. Elle vécut heureusement toujours dorénavant (Be eudaimonic!) 08:15, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Voting for the ArbComm is the least I should have done. Actually, it isn't as serious as you guys all made it out to be, it was just a WikiVacation of indeterminate duration to let me cool off (and do something about my disastrous GPA). Well, been monitoring the ArbComm elections, and... certain people I'd rather see... gone/deposed... are now off the ArbComm at least. Been doing some minor edits, and helping with a page that a fellow SJW2 enthusiast got on PR and eventually (hopefully) FAC. Semester finals coming up, and gotta write an application for a summer programme at MIT... be back in Feb, if mass-scale revolution has not already taken place. Cheers. -- Миборовский U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 05:04, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Meetup

I know it is too early to talk about it now, as school has just started for most of us. Is anyone interested in a March holiday meetup? Suggestions please? Thank you. --Terence Ong Talk 10:36, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Can't do it for a while. Elle vécut heureusement toujours dorénavant (Be eudaimonic!) 08:15, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

March wouldn't be a great a time, perhaps June; school just started for tiertiary students. Slivester 06:52, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to suggest July 22 (Saturday), because Jimbo will be in town! NSLE (T+C) 07:43, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
NSLE       oh, jwales, we're thinking of an SGpedian meetup, so if you're coming any
time this year let us know

jwales  NSLE: July 20-21

jwales  NSLE: i'll stay more days than that
Great! How about bringing Jimbo to Jumbo Seafood to try the Jumbo Sri Lankan Crab? --Vsion (talk) 09:25, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Haha...but July is sooooo long from now...--Huaiwei 12:15, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
I no money leh. Haha --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 02:47, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Hmmh? I tot it's Jimbo's treat, ... not meh? --Vsion (talk) 07:37, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
lol! Anyway I would love for an earlier meet amongst some of us first lah. Dont want any embarrasing moments infront of a visitor. :D--Huaiwei 13:22, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Good idea, maybe where we can have a drink or something. Casual one lah. Dunno whether Jimbo paying or not. I hope we can get at least 15. Maybe gettng Angela to come may be easier. Maybe we should bring Jimbo to a hawker centre, seafood looks too common. :D --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 14:42, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
See main meetup page and discussion here.

Great resource!

Just added this to both the Singapore and the noticeboard external link resources - this is quite awesome as it details out every perspective of Singapore's planning, from hydroponics in Singapore, to oil refining, to every little bit of specialised geographic info. This is quite valuable. I'm about to create a stub regional centre (Singapore) from this information (my primary school textbook was too vague, LOL). Elle vécut heureusement toujours dorénavant (Be eudaimonic!) 08:15, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Culture of Singapore wars

So User:Vsion and I have been engaging in a low-intensity edit war over at Culture of Singapore, debating two issues:

  1. Whether any mention of porn star Annabel Chong is permissible
  2. Whether any mention of Singapore's strict control over media, vetting of theater plays, censorship of movies etc etc is permissible

As the two of us aren't getting very far I'd like to solicit some alternative opinions, please chip in at Talk:Culture of Singapore. Jpatokal 14:40, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Singapore Userbox

Hi SGpedians', you may like to add this userbox to your userpage which includes this category.

{{User Singapore}}

--Terence Ong 06:28, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you bro. Slivestré Nuenenorl ¦ Pagefront ¦ Photo Archive ¦ Discussion ¦ Contributions ¦ Email ¦ 03:48, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

IRC Channel down

Hi,guys.The IRC channel is down because of an accidental setting.Terence Ong is new to IRC,so I shan't blame him for that.But I must apologise for not asking:How any of you use IRC?

Tdxiang (talk • contribs)10:04, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

  1. NSLE I know that...he does use it... This was written by tdxiang.tdxiang (talk • contribs)
  2. NatalinasmpfShe did use it...
  3. Tan Ding XiangI do use it...
  4. Terence Ong uses it...that I know too!

Terence,I forgive you.But now,shall we start a new Channel? Tan DX 10:04, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I believe we should. And this time round perhaps you find it better to host it under GalaxyNet. Slivestré Nuenenorl ¦ Pagefront ¦ Photo Archive ¦ Discussion ¦ Contributions ¦ Email ¦ 03:39, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Back to normal now...Tan DX 09:30, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


Invite-only was turned on. NSLE (T+C) 09:34, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion for SGCOTF

Hi, I have some suggestions for changes in the procedure for Singapore Collaboration of the Fortnight. Please visit Wikipedia talk:SGpedians' notice board/SGCOTF and leave your comments. Thanks. --Vsion 02:36, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

announcement

Zscout370 is going to run a script changing all mentions of the previous SG flag image to the SVG one, so don't be alarmed. It will run as Zbot370. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 02:45, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Automated entry for Portal:Malaysia and Portal:Singapore?

Hey, I notice that Portal:Malaysia and Portal:Singapore are being neglected but Current events in Malaysia and Singapore is being actively updated. Is there a way to automatically do an update for news on each portal and then send in those news to Current events in Malaysia and Singapore automatically? Like, doing the entry just once instead of having to do it twice (i.e. once at the portal and another at Current events in Malaysia and Singapore)? If we could, then those portals wouldn't be too inactive. __earth (Talk) 10:08, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Er I dont think wikipedia is that smart :D--Huaiwei 15:21, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Ja. but is there a script for it? __earth (Talk) 03:52, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Cineplexes and other Singapore related articles

Orchard Cineplex, Lido 8 Cineplex, Yishun 10 have articles created and they are just only a multiplex. I don't see a big thing of having multiplexes of articles on their own. Could we put this under a section of the main building. This is created by a new user, User:Mingshu. Don't want to bite newbies, but I dunno why SG articles can be of such standards. Also look at Shaw Organization and Eng Wah Organization. Unwikified, I feel ashamed that SG articles are of low standards. As time goes, I think Goh Chi Lan should be nominated for AFD, as her article on Wikipedia looks not notable enough for an encyclopedia. --Terence Ong 16:05, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Edit warring

I would just like to warn everyone here that our best friend has recently began bringing his edit warring into a page as innocent as Ang Mo Kio, insisting on adding languages to romanisised script when none is actually neccesary. This action will have affected plenty of other pages related to Singaporean places, and I asked him to discuss this with the community before insisting on changing a template, which he chose not to but decided to revert instead. I hereby request community action to deal with the issue at hand. Thanks!--Huaiwei 18:44, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

It was not me who first added them. I was only restoring what I don't think should be deleted. — Instantnood 18:51, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Which constitutes a revert. This is the upteempth time (third time in the past week alone?) you need a reminder that non-original contributors are not immune from legislation against revert warring and any other destructive behavior on wikipedia.--Huaiwei 19:04, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes.. but the picture you've given to the audience is that I was the person adding them: " ..insisting on adding languages.. ". — Instantnood 19:08, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
And what difference does that make? Someone added them. I removed them. You added them again. I removed them. And you added them a second time, which implies you insisted on adding them. As I said, I do not have time for technicalities, and you might be glad to know this page dosent have much room for this kind of nonsense.--Huaiwei 19:14, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps you don't care much about accuracy and clarity, but I do. What I did was only to clarify what you've said. I'm not interested in your response to the clarification. Thank you. — Instantnood 19:18, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Which is truly ironic. If you care so much about accuracy and clarity, how is it possible for you to be disinterested in people's attempts to clarify anything at the same time?--Huaiwei 19:36, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Instantnood, it is implied that the pinyin is referring to the Mandarin. Use a pipe for "Mandarin pinyin" perhaps, without using ugly parentheses. Given other cases of romanisation, the context in which pinyin is used should be self-evident. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 20:19, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

See also Talk:Ang Mo Kio.--Huaiwei 05:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Singapore Collaboration of the Fortnight

Collaboration in Wikipedia is fun! Is there an article that you feel is important but has been neglected? You can nominate it for the Singapore Collaboration of the Fortnight so that the SGpedian community can work together to expand and improve it. Please visit the SGCOTF page and nominate as many articles as you wish because the more choices the better. The rule has been changed so that nominations will not expired. And of course, don't forget to vote for the articles you are interested in and participate in the SGCOTF teamwork. Enjoy! --Vsion 12:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Consolidation of Primary & Secondary School articles

I see a need to consolidate all of the short primary and secondary school articles. We can perhaps leave some of the more detailed or notable ones untouch, but on the whole, there is definitely a need. Slivestré ¦ Pfrt ¦ PAve ¦ Dcn ¦ Cntn ¦ Ei ¦ 06:17, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Why do you see this need? I do not see what is in common between them besides being Primary schools for instance.--Huaiwei 08:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Individual articles while we have a clear lack of information regarding each schools. Thus, until when we can introduce more information, all those stubs can only result with confusion. It will be great if we centralise all Primary & Secondary school articles into one, and branches out to the cluster zones, then individual schools. Slivestré ¦ Pfrt ¦ PAve ¦ Dcn ¦ Cntn ¦ Ei ¦ 09:25, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I would disagree that stubs contribute to "confusion". How does that happen, and any examples to cite? That they are stubs just calls for us to improve on them. Trying to go the opposite direction kills the incentive for improvement.--Huaiwei 09:27, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
This issue has been discussed extensively in AfDs before, the arguments of all sides are presented in Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments. The AfDs of schools in the last few months now show overwhelming support to keep school articles as separate; schools are no longer deleted or merged. See for example Wikipedia:Watch/schoolwatch/Schools for deletion archive/2005 and Wikipedia:Watch/schoolwatch/Schools for deletion archive for a tally of these AfDs results. Of course, if it is a one-liner sub-stub, unverifiable, or attack article, then that article can be speedy delete. --Vsion 09:39, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
However, I like to add that verification is becoming a problem. The article Overseas Family School makes some strong claims, but I'm not familar to deal with it. Can anyone help? --Vsion 09:42, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I will look into it, no problem. --Terence Ong 09:52, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I am not exactly talking about shifting and merging all articles related to Primary & secondary school, but to consolidate all those extreme stub-cases based on their cluster zones, such as N5 cluster with Marsiling secondary school and so on, if the article itself is too subjective to be incorporated into a single, individual article. Slivestré ¦ Pfrt ¦ PAve ¦ Dcn ¦ Cntn ¦ Ei ¦ 12:27, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I see; I found this list of clusters, their superintendents, and schools here. Yes, it makes sense to have articles for this level of administration. --Vsion 18:39, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes, that is what I am trying to bring to you guys attention: Consolidate *some* of the stub articles, though I am not saying that we should be deleting them. So in a sense, for instance, the N5 Cluster Zone article will pay reference to the schools under it, a brief introductory note, their principals, their superintendents, their cluster activites; cluster activities include those annual TAF Carnivals, where Trim & Fit programme students are gathered to challenge in all sort of sporting events against other schools within the cluster zones; Cultural Appreciation Festive or relevant and so on. Sometimes these clusters might even organise cluster against cluster events, where the top performing students of each cluster is sent for competition against top preforming students of other cluster. Slivestré ¦ Pfrt ¦ PAve ¦ Dcn ¦ Cntn ¦ Ei ¦ 01:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Dublicate!

Isnt the newly-created Otah a dubliate of Otak-otak? :D--Huaiwei 03:49, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Otak-otak is about the Malaysia's otah, and the Otah article is about Singapore's article. I will put the tags to request it for merging. The proposed new name should be called otah. --Terence Ong 04:21, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Singapore Science Centre

Our friend User:Instantnood has attempted to remove the phrase "world-acclaimed" from the above article [1]. His "crony", User:Novacatz, has similarly came into the picture and twiced attempted to remove it by calling it a Peacock term [2] [3] despite repeated warnings that there is verificability in the above phrase [4] [5] [6].Feel free to come to the above article's talk page to comment where neccesary.--Huaiwei 09:31, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Sentosa is Sgcotf!

Hi guys, Sentosa has been selected as the Singapore Collaboration of the Fortnight, a perfect article for this festive season. Please join-in and contribute, or leave suggestions at Talk:Sentosa.

The current Singapore Collaboration of the Fortnight is Co-curricular activity.
Every fortnight a different Singapore-related topic, stub or non-existent article is picked.
Please read the nomination text and improve the article any way you can.

And dont' forget to vote for the next SGCOTF and nominate more articles for cooperative editing. Thank you. --Vsion 04:07, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Happy Chinese New Year

To everyone who celebrates it (and even if you don't, enjoy the holidays!), 新年快乐，万事如意，恭喜发财！ NSLE (T+C) 恭喜发财 everyone! 07:20, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Wish everyone 年年有魚/餘; "be blessed every year"! --Vsion 11:52, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
My wishes to everyone too. 恭喜发财，万事如意，年年有鱼，新年快乐。For students, 学业进步。Wish all of you a happy and prosperous new year. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 13:22, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

use of adjectives

Well, I have to bring this up again. I notice we keep using a lot of adjectives for new articles, ie. something is pleasant, refined, well-landscaped, expansive, extensive, etc....it tells opinion, but doesn't tell the reader much. So, one could put it, "it was the intent of the designers", or use numbers, "the park is 14 hectares large"...we could use estimates if we want to. Especially if we physically went there and took photos, surely we can estimate the amount of space, right? :D So we have two alternatives to present such a statement, and they are more informative then "such and such building is massive/pleasant", because we replace opinion with facts. If we have no statistics, we can roughly estimate it ourselves. (We were physically there anyway, and thus photos prove that it isn't OR.) :DElle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 06:34, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Goal for August 9th

I propose this....it's time Singapore got onto the FAC road, so I think after we do Sentosa (and this is a long-term goal), let's aim to make it FAC sometime before August 9th, then nominate it for main page by August 9th. How's that? ;-)

Some priorities:

  • Culture section getting bloated. We should also remember to exchange information between articles and subarticles now and then.
  • Clean up demographics
  • Trim sections

Then we should be well on our way.

Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 06:37, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Looks good. Trimming the sections is one thing needed. Our subarticles needs serious attention. Do look at the Singapore Collaboration of the Fortnight for those who don't know yet. But will it pass FAC after improving the article. That's one thing I'm sceptical about. =) --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 06:47, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Singapore is certainly the top priority. Also it is good for morale. Do we have to wait that long? Please don't let SGCOTF be an obstacle because it is relatively low intensity compared to FAC, and we can suspend SGCOTF if necessary. I believe we have a very good chance this time. :D , Is there any schedule you have in mind for this FAC, like when do you like to submit it? --Vsion 07:35, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Election advertising

Just to bring to your notice, Yawning Bread wrote an article about election advertising on the Internet being illegal. I'm still trying to understand it and the consequences. Is there any other references or comments on this matter or related issues? --Vsion 22:06, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Meh, I would purposely publish commentary on my user page out of pure spite. Hmph! :D Till more information is gained however, I am not sure about how an article about this should go about. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 20:56, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Aerial dogfights

If some of you remember the past disputes over content standardisation in Singapore Airlines, Singapore Changi Airport, and attempts to delete articles such as Singapore Airlines fleet recently (so far, two articles have been deleted), the same few individuals are now taking issue with Singapore Airlines destinations. I seriously problems understanding why these individuals would insist removing data for the sake of presentation consistency is a positive move as far as wikipedia is concerned?--Huaiwei 12:21, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Blank map of Singapore

Is a copy of the blank outline map of Singapore, as used in [7] and lots of other maps, available somewhere in SVG or some other vector-based format? The closest I could find is this, but it's only a giant PNG and it has some districts marked off too. Jpatokal 16:16, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Great you asked. The maps created are with the hard work of Vsion, although he seems to be using some cheem program normal earthlings like myself will probably never comprehend. :D I have been thinking long and hard on drawing a very detailed map of Singapore using Adobe Illustrator, which should make editing relatively easier for all. Any tots and suggestions, anyone?--Huaiwei 16:28, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I also have problems using that "cheem program", and I've to relearn it every time i try to use it, so I won't recommend it to you guys :). I also couldn't find any vector-based format of singapore map, it would certainly be nice to have it. The data I have maybe can convert to SVG after some hacking, but this will take some time (weeks or months). Hopefully someone has or find other alternative resources. If not, I can try to convert mine to SVG, but the quality won't be nice as you can see from the example, just ok for locator maps. --Vsion (talk) 05:18, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Haha is it. Hmm...so about all of us help to draw a single high-resolution vector-based map, saved in the .ai format, and which will come with multiple layers for all kinds of details? The only major problem I have encountered so far is the maximum file size limit, which is 16383 X 16383 pixels in size. I did the estimations, and it means the entire Singapore map has to be smaller than 1:10000 scale (the old street directory, ie the pre-"mighty minds" ones, is 1:7500, while the master plan of Singapore by the URA is 1:5000). This is a tad smaller than my desired size, and the other program I know which meets this requirement is CorelDRAW. Other than that, I have found sources for detailed land-use zoning maps (the Master Plan of coz), building outline maps, and yes...I am even considering colour-zoning roads based on the number of lanes!! :D--Huaiwei 06:28, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Singapore mainland (svg image)
Singapore mainland (svg image)
Ha, managed to get one hacked, mainland only, haven't add islands, reservoirs, and JB. So the resolution of my data is as the image shown on the right, slightly smaller than 5000x3000 pixels, not good enough for street maps. Is this useful to you or anyone? --Vsion (talk) 08:00, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Sorry Vsion, but I don't think it will be of good use currently, maybe in the future. Why can't we have the maps in PNG format? Is there a reason for it, cos I'm confused with these two formats. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 08:24, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
There are advantages to it being used for web pages and maps. See Scalable Vector Graphics. One of them is adding remarks in the image at specific locations (if I saw some examples correctly) without having to modify the image itself. It's perfect for streep maps. As well as more efficient scaling. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 23:18, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Is it just me? Or have you guys also noticed that the "diamond" shape of Singapore island is now gone? hmmm .... --Vsion (talk) 12:18, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
The diamond is growing limbs. LoL --Sengkang 15:29, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, and I woke up one day to discover that I don't recognize my country anymore! :-0 The island now looks like a sweet potato to me. While it is not as aesthetic as the diamond, and I do miss the diamond shape, it however reminds me how my grandparents survived WW2 on a kantang diet. :D Btw, I brought this up because the article Singapore still describes the mainland as diamond-shaped, but I don't have the heart to replace it with kantang though ;) --Vsion (talk) 13:35, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Huaiwei blocked for no reason????

This is kind of ridiculous, or rubbish. Huaiwei blocked (by Wgfinley) for this reason "Continued edit warring and disruption in violation of parole after prior blocks". When I looked at his contributions, I saw nothing like that. Could an admin unblock him as this is false. Thanks. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 13:16, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

  • I've emailed him now. His blocked expired but he isn't back yet since 8 Feb. Hopefully not a WP:MW. - Mailer Diablo 01:50, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

This is fallout from an arbitration case. NSLE (T+C) at 02:42 UTC (2006-02-26)

Three weeks has passed and still no edits, has been listed at WP:MW. --Terence Ong 11:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

government of Singapore - I think I know the problem

The reason why it's developing so slowly is that we're treating the article like the executive branch. We should realise that this shoudl be the article that covers both legislative, executive and probably the judicial branches. Again, politics of Singapore should describe the political atmosphere of Singapore, and basically how things work de facto; government of Singapore should explain how things work de jure. Agreed? Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 00:49, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely agree. We need to explain things work and so on. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 01:40, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

There's a lot of information that's not that obvious about how the country is run....statutes might be a good source, that we haven't tapped into however. It basically tells us how things are regulated, which would be useful. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 21:18, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I generally agree, there is already some content in politics of Singapore, should we move some of the content over first? I'm also abit confused, because in the article Her Majesty's Government, it says that :In British usage, Parliament and the Courts are not considered to be part of the 'Government', should we ignore this view? I would prefer them in "Government" according to local usage, as there is not much "politics" in Singapore anyway ;). How about a SGCOTF nomination for Government of Singapore? --Vsion (talk) 03:15, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Meetup update

Hello SGpedians, six SGpedians' including myself have interest in the meetup. Please see details on the meetup page. Thanks. --Terence Ong 08:42, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Not Singapore-related but affect Singaporeans

I was not sure where this is supposed to go but I can keep silent no more. This is not really a Singapore-related article, but I urge you to give your comments about this issue. If anyone of you have been noticing this entry, you will know that I have been trying to defend Singapore's case in their ban against Singaporeans. They made their termination message available only to Singaporeans after international viewers was alerted to it, and removed it entirely shortly after I posted a printscreen of their termination message. Thing is, is a removed screenshot considered verifiable content? May I ask what course of action should I be taking?

Thanks for any help.

Darklord of the Sith Daniel Lim 01:32, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I remember reading about the putfile's ban in an online news report. If I can find that link, that would be another verifable source concerning the ban. --Vsion (talk) 01:43, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
What's there to defend? Wikipedia is not a battleground for people to debate whether the hanging is justified. -- Миборовский U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 09:37, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Frankly, I do sincerely doubt what putfile can really put in place with such an atrocious act - against the Asian society that is so conservative to execute a person by hanging? You are not destroying the entire ant population on earth by killing an ant, just as well as banning a nation that implements execution via hanging does not entirely means other nations will cease to use such method, nor will it ever much affects Singapore. I don't even know putfile exist until the ban was announce, haha. Slivestré ¦ Pfrt ¦ PAve ¦ Dcn ¦ Cntn ¦ Ei ¦ 23:07, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

images on CHIJMES

I have proposed whether to resize/re-align the images on CHIJMES. Please see my reason for proposing so, and give your views at the article's talk age. — Kimchi.sg | Talk 13:22, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Request for writeups

Hi all, I'm currently creating the individual bus interchange/terminal pages and including the routes. Will like to request for writeups and photos if possible, and help to expand the articles. Will be adding the list here later. Many thanks!! Jinhua 05:24, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Sure. --Terence Ong 05:26, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Maybe we can keep the background-color for SMRT Buses as lightgray instead of red - that is the color used for its bus stop plates and the primary color on its bus livery. Red can be very jarring to the eyes. Jinhua 07:36, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
I see, but to me light grey is more like white. Maybe we should use the comapny's livery, looks better. :D --Terence Ong 13:50, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Suspected hoax articles

Two articles have been listed as suspected hoax : Eli Oliveiro, O&S Group. Please help to verify or comment if you know anything about it. --Vsion (talk) 23:50, 26 February 2006 (UTC) Reworded my comment:

Two articles have been listed as suspected hoax articles that may contain inaccurate or misleading information. These two articles are Eli Oliveiro and O&S Group. Please help to verify the content or comment if you know anything about it. -Vsion 14:10, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Verification needed for article Eliyathamby

Hi guys, I've come across an article recently which is a biography of an apparently notable Singaporean, Eliyathamby. I have been unable to verify any of the information in the article, and was hoping some actual Singaporean editors might be able to look at the article, clean it up, and confirm or deny the facts stated therein. In particular, any dates such as birth and death dates. See the talk page for my comments and questions on the article. Thanks to anyone who can help. Regards, Canley 08:34, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Chat Day

I'm proposing a chat day every month, and this month will be on 10 March, which also is one year after our board was created. Any suggestions and comments about the chat day? Do come and join to have hours of chatting. --Terence Ong 10:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Chat on MSN

  1. Terence Ong 10:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
  2. User:Miborovsky (UTC -8)

Chat on IRC

  1. Terence Ong 10:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
  2. Mailer Diablo 13:49, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
  3. Sengkang 13:50, 6 March 2006 (UTC) (only if free from work obligations)
  4. NSLE (T+C) at 14:26 UTC (2006-03-06)
  5. Tdxiang 陈 鼎 翔 (Talk) Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 09:38, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
  6. Vsion 15:39, 7 March 2006 (UTC) (will drop-by for a while to chat, unfortunately I got an important assignment the next day)
  7. b3virq3b 01:52, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Channel?

  • [8]. For any issues, see the operators, Tdxiang and B3virq3b.
  • [9]. This is Terence's IRC channel, do drop by at my channel too. :) --Terence Ong 09:50, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
  • [10]. This is Tdxiang's IRC Channel, for support, you can access this channel.--Tdxiang 陈 鼎 翔 (Talk) Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 07:15, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Details

Chat time starts at 1600 (GMT +8) and can end up to 0300 (GMT +8) the next day. Of course, I won't be staying up until three in the morning, but you all may continue. Times may be flexible though. We may have more chat days if you wish. --Terence Ong 14:22, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Umm...how about Saturday?--Tdxiang 陈 鼎 翔 (Talk) Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 09:40, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Chat Day has started, isn't anyone going to talk there? --Terence Ong 08:08, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Sorry I missed it! Was out somewhere. -- Миборовский U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 06:18, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
I missed also, due to a meeting with Zhou Gong, when is the next one? --Vsion 02:22, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Migrating/Living in Singapore

We should probably embark on a sub-article within Singapore to highlight the procedures and details of migrating or living in Singapore. Slivestré ¦ Pfrt ¦ PAve ¦ Dcn ¦ Cntn ¦ Ei ¦ 00:09, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

No, we shouldn't, because Wikipedia is not a travel guide. (Wikitravel, on the other hand, is and already has some basics about visas, PR and whatnot.) Jpatokal 10:46, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
I specifically says "Migrating", I am not saying living in Singapore for a humbly short period of time. Read through. Slivestré ¦ Pfrt ¦ PAve ¦ Dcn ¦ Cntn ¦ Ei ¦ 02:39, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, actually you said "migrating or living". However, neither is an encyclopedic topic and Wikipedia is not meant for step-by-step instructions for applying for PR or whatever. Jpatokal 15:22, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Again, you have misinterpreted. Slivestré ¦ Pfrt ¦ PAve ¦ Dcn ¦ Cntn ¦ Ei ¦ 14:29, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
How about an article on Immigration in Singapore? Certainly a relevant sub-topic of Demographics of Singapore, we can start a section under the Demographics article first to see how it expands. This will not be just policy and procedures, but also discusses the rationale, issues, impact, statistics, culture, economic growth, etc. --Vsion 02:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Yeap, thats what I intended, it sounds pretty great to see articles that relates to the nature of migrating to Singapore :). There are a couple of articles dedicated for other nations currently, just that, they are just as vague in detail. Slivestré ¦ Pfrt ¦ PAve ¦ Dcn ¦ Cntn ¦ Ei ¦ 02:39, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
I would be fine with Immigration to Singapore (or where do you immigrate inside it?), but again, the focus must be encyclopedic. Jpatokal 15:22, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Chat Day and Party

Well every Fridays and Saturdays will be a Chat Day on the Singapore IRC channel. Do join in have lots of fun. --Terence Ong 07:19, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Unify the information & link on Category:Singapore

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Singapore - All singapore related articles are currently not proper arranged or link-up. Seem like all S'pore related information/lists are scuttle everywhere in wiki, some info should be merge first, everyone should tried to compact the information in some way instead of allocation first. More confusion for novice users.

Fernvale 05:13, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Chat Day, Online Meetup

I am proposing a Chat Day for SGpedians' fortnightly on either Fridays or Saturdays (or both). We will have a voting with a concensus when to have it and where i.e. MSN or IRC. We will have monthly meetings to discuss about Singapore-related articles, SGpedian activities, casual chat, photography, Wikipedians etc. It is recommended that all active SGpedians' come from every chat day and meeting. --Terence Ong 12:35, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Where's everyone?? We always cannot have a proper chat day. :( --Terence Ong 12:08, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Maybe no one wants to go online or that they are busy... oh well...--陈鼎翔 贡献 Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 08:42, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, when I'm on the SG IRC channel nobody else is! Man what a letdown. I don't even like IRC, and I made an effort to use it and connect to you guys... hmmph. Anyway, will probably be busy these few weeks, Advanced Placement tests and then SAT IIs... -- Миборовский U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 07:11, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Voting

Aye

  1. --Terence Ong 10:15, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Nay

Dates

7 April

  1. --Terence Ong 12:35, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

8 April

  1. --Terence Ong 12:35, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Chat on MSN

  1. --Terence Ong 12:35, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Chat on IRC

  1. --Terence Ong 12:35, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Channel

Simple English Wikipedia

We should help out in Simple English Wikipedia. The articles there are in poor condition. Who wants to join? I have.--陈鼎翔 贡献 Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 07:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Tdxiang.
  • Comment, we should help out English Wikipedia first. I am not good at writing in Simple English. :( --Terence Ong 08:05, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

planned template

Apparently soon we need a "constituencies of Singapore" template (I have a nice article that I moved to go along too &mdash constituencies of Singapore!) A map would be nice, too! Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 15:12, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, will be doing that soon. P.S. I was also thinking of that as well. :P --Terence Ong 12:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Places in Singapore

Hello. I started editing Wikipedia recently, and am interested in writing up on places in Singapore. I noticed that there is a project for this, but it seems to have been dead for some time now. That project also seems to focus on `broad locations' like Ang Mo Kio and Yishun, rather than specific places like buildings, which I'd be more interested in.

Would anyone be interested in reviving the project? I'd love to have some help with this, since I don't know much yet, am doing this to learn actually. Also, for small locations, I'm thinking of including external links to the streetdirectory.com maps, what do you all think?

AlephNull 10:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Not a good idea to link streetdirectory.com maps. We do have users making maps, that's not a problem. Just that most of us are busy now. Sure, go ahead! Be bold! Do create a user page for yourself for a brief description of you (people will like to know some background :P). We do have building articles such as National Monuments, some malls, hotels, major commercial buildings. Its not yet time to start our WikiProject yet. We can start a WikiProject on Wikipedia:WikiProject Singaporean buildings etc. --Terence Ong 10:49, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Chat Day

Where's everyone? Chat day has started. Eleventh hour spamming not good enough? A notice has been posted there for more than a week. --Terence Ong 12:45, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Improvement drive for SEA

The article History of Southeast Asia is currently a candidate for Wikipedia:Article Improvement Drive. You can support the nomination with your vote there. __earth (Talk) 17:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Shameless self-promotion

Herrrrro Singaporean compatriots!

In the unlikely scenario that some of you might actually know anything about or care anything about China (I know Natalina does so this doesn't apply to her :D ), the Military history WikiProject has just established the Chinese military history task force, and interested editors can hop over there and take a look. It's much more fun than writing Wikipedia articles about that char siew rice stall from your local food court... Just a thought. :p -- Миборовский U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 07:00, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia in Singlish (lorh!)

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages

Comments welcome. =) -- ran (talk) 19:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I vote support :D. Hmm ... if it is created, does it mean we can talk-cock there? ... or write-cock? --Vsion 04:43, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Of course. -- Миборовский U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 08:11, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Please note I have opposed the suggestion, cheers. NSLE (T+C) at 09:47 UTC (2006-05-29)

Yeah, my support for a Singlish Wiki is rather weak. The reason is how can we write in Singlish, lah, lor, ya, or not and all the slangs. And with few active SGpedians', it will take a long time to have decent encyclopaedic articles. We just need to "translate" it to Singlish by rephrasing it. Our proper English standards will deteoriate slowly with us writing proper English sentences Singlish style. Since the government is trying to reduce the use of Singlish, this idea is not very good after all. --Terence Ong 12:23, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
To address Terence's legitimate concern, I would suggest banning any Sgpedians who have not pass their A-level General Paper from editing in the singlish-wikipedia; this restriction is solely for their own sake (and also not to sabo our dear govt's SGEM project). For the rest who have already passed their A-level (or Poly's diploma, or equivalence) and for non-Singaporeans, they shall not be deprived of the joy of editing in Singlish, lor. --Vsion 08:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Meh, that sounds so nanny state. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 14:12, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
The difference is the mitigation of complex words and allowing for more informal expression. Singlish is a creole, so it's not just direct translation. Speaking another language doesn't make one's grasp of languages he or she has already learned deteroriate, as long as the concept that they are separate languages is kept - separate. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 17:48, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

The problem here is that there is no conventional writing form of Singlish, except to use broken English and SMS texting language. NSLE (T+C) at 10:27 UTC (2006-05-30)

There can be many forms of translations, as with any other idiom from language to language (in our case, a creole). Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 14:12, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I'm new. Why not create Wikipedia:Wikiproject Singapore?

Hello! User:Vsion referred me here to the SGpedian's notice board, so here I am!

I'm a 14-year-old boy, from Singapore (duh). My friends consider me intelligent, but weird, and with an interesting sense of humour. My passions are computers, creative writing and chess. No wonder I like editing Wikipedia - it's to do with computers and creative writing!

On Wikipedia, I mostly contribute information to articles about computers/websites and Singapore TV shows/movies. I also regularly participate in discussions about Wikipedia. I created the WP:RFF initiative, where new editors can get feedback on their articles/edits that will hopefully help them improve their editing skills. I wrote the Google Groups and Homerun articles. I am currently seeking feedback on them at Requests for feedback. I'm still a relatively inexperienced editor, having joined on February 2006, and still struggle with policy and markup often. (see link at bottom)

I am surprised that there is no Wikipedia:WikiProject Singapore. I think we should create one, as many Singapore articles lack standards. We currently have the Singapore Collaboration of the Week, and could integrate it into the WikiProject.

I would be a willing and enthusiastic participant in this project. I am a huge fan of Jack Neo movies (remember, I wrote Homerun). I could write the currently non-existent articles The Best Bet, I Do I Do and One More Chance. I could also collaborate with other editors to expand the Jack Neo article. In addition, I could write articles on notable Singapore drama serials, such as A Child's Hope, and expand existing articles on these drama serials.

However, the WP:V policy will make it difficult for me to write/expand articles about Singapore drama serials. (see link at bottom)

Another reason for coming here is to make Wikifriends to collaborate to improve articles. (see link at bottom)

[11]

I hope to enjoy my time here and make a significant contribution!

--J.L.W.S. The Special One 13:25, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Is this noticeboard not enough? I think having 2 "meeting places" distract from communication. -- Миборовский 22:25, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm redirecting it to this page for now. I think a WikiProject has a narrower focus than a noticeboard - one is to identify and ask - whereas a WikiProject might have a set plan. We do have Singaporean Places - but if a subproject needs to be created, then it the redirect can be converted. But it will probably be subordinate to this noticeboard. That way, there's still one big central meeting place. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 03:08, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

The notice board is more about socializing among Singaporean Wikipedians. The WikiProject will be focused on improving Singapore-related articles. With a WikiProject, we will have more powers. For example, a WikiProject Singapore userbox, and the ability to make pages part of our WikiProject. Besides collaborations, we can do more, such as aiming to spot and nominate potential Good Articles about Singapore. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 03:27, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

  • We already have "Singaporean Wikipedians" category. I suppose the difference is finding editors who want to actively work on Singapore-related articles, rather than SGpedians who might work on something else might be a different issue. I don't think the noticeboard is really about "socialising", although I think with categories we already can specify pages. Specific things like Singaporean cuisine or Singapore politics might be invoked. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 04:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

My point exactly. There is a difference between having the "This user is a chess player" userbox on your user page, and being a member of WikiProject Chess to improve articles about chess. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 05:56, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Blocks to 202.156.6.54 - Issue affecting all Singaporean Wikipedians

Hello to all Singaporean Wikipedians. I wish to raise an issue affecting all of us.

Currently, Singapore's population is over 4 million. Most of us are using StarHub. We all share the IP 202.156.6.54.

This IP is frequently used for vandalism. As a result, it is often blocked. However, these blocks will prevent all Singaporean users from editing Wikipedia. There will be massive collateral damage - more than AOL.

I believe some of you have previously been affected by this block. I have. And I'm not the only one to complain about it. I remember Stefan also complaining about it.

I have left a note at User_talk:202.156.6.54 warning admins not to block this IP. If you have been affected by the block, please sign there. In addition, please sign in support of WP:BPP. Thanks.

--J.L.W.S. The Special One 08:03, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

First, I would like to clarify not all SGpedians' use StarHub as their ISP. Some use Singnet, Pacific Internet etc. as their ISP. Singnet users also have dynamic IPs and as a result they get blocked and suffer colliteral damage. These affects most but not all of us who uses these ISPs, as many of us get blocked when someone else who shares the IP also get vandalised. StarHub users mainly have around one or two IPs, but 90% of those uses 202.156.6.54 which is very infamous for anons vandalising. We just have to bear with it, if the new blocking policy proposal takes place, that's good news for all of us. Currently, we have to up with the damage or ask an admin on IRC to unblock it for you. --Terence Ong 08:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
text removed for WP:BEANS purposes NSLE (T+C) at 04:17 UTC (2006-06-10) Stefan 00:54, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Strange, why is this WP:BEANS, it is advice given exactly for this scenario.... do not understand! if you had a WP:DontRockTheBoat I could accept, but not Beans! I understand what you can do with this and that is the reson I have not shared this before, but I also think that it should be common knowledge or stopped? Stefan 06:59, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
If you say this is BEANS, that is to say that I, as a registered users that have not done anything wrong, is violating some rule in wikipedia if I get around a block to a IP that someone else got blocked! Is that what you mean? i.e. that when my shared IP is blocked I should not be allowed to edit wikipedia??? It is a different thing what the vandal can do, but that is not what I am talking about now! What happend to WP:Ignore_all_rules,WP:Be bold and WP:Assume_good_faith all should have higher precidence that WP:BEANS (never heard of before) and should indicate that what I say should be allowed? Are you saying that my trick can get me blocked?? Please explain! Stefan 08:08, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
OK, no reply I guess that means that I should give up, nevermind I managed to find the last and most importaint 'rule' in wikipedia that I think supports my claim that this is NOT a WP:BEANS issue. One of the foundation issues, which states either 'the ability of anyone to edit' or 'Ability of anyone to edit articles without registering' depending where you look. Not sure if it means both or only the last? But I would argue that it means that anyone should be able to edit wikipedia, unless specifically blocked which I am not when starhub IP is. So therefore I say that this is a accepted way of getting around the bug in wikipedia software that blocks me when the IP i'm sharing and using is blocked. BEANS talks about don't give examples of how to cause disruption , if you interpret it that way that means that we shoul dnot tell people about the edit button, because if no one knows there would be no vandalism! WP:Assume_good_faith! My intent is not to misuse this, my intent is to help users make more and better articles in wikipedia, this can be used to do bad things, I'm sure you know and understand that, but if I wanted to do bad things on wikipedia, and you offerend me this tip or a copy of pywikipedia, I know what I could do more damage with, and pywikipedia is freely avaliable and accepted. (please reply to this, I would rather have this discussion here and be convinced that I should stop this idea, than in a more public place, where I had planned to take this discussion and probably will do the next time I'm blocked) (or email me if you want to keep it more private). Stefan 13:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
If blocked, place {{unblock}} on your user talk page and wait for an admin to unblock. Short. Simple. Kimchi.sg 01:15, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Correct! Short, simple and slow! Stefan 01:44, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
But it works. Please don't be too impatient, or violate WP:POINT. NSLE (T+C) at 01:46 UTC (2006-06-10)
I'm NOT violation WP:POINT, how can you say that? Are you saying that since I'm on starhub I'm responsible for all other starhub users edits? and that I should be blocked?, I do not understand? Do not confuse me with others. some text removed for WP:BEANS Stefan 02:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
No, I'm saying "don't be too impatient, or you may accidentally violate WP:POINT" (as Hildanknight has previously done and was blocked for). I'm not accusing you of violating it. NSLE (T+C) at 04:17 UTC (2006-06-10)
OK thanks! Stefan 06:52, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
By way of analogy, if a lift you're riding in is stuck, you wouldn't even think of forcing open the doors... right? There's a emergency button you'd press to summon assistance. Same here on Wikipedia. If you don't force open lift doors in real life, why do the equally dangerous thing here? Kimchi.sg 02:05, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
What do you mean dangerous?? See advice to AOL users, if you consider that to be dangerous I suggest that you update it and remove the advice! And if I had a lift that was as reliable as wikipedia I would take the stairs! Or try to make it reliable which I have been trying to in a nice way without much success, people are upset when they have to do one revert, but are happy blocking starhub for 24h, check the last 3 blocks, I do not think that the oldest 2 of them where correct, but then Wikipedia:Blocking_policy does not say much at all, I think it should state much clearer what to do with shared proxies, it should state that it is OK for another admin to remove a block on a shared IP. I have not check the last block that only lasted for 15 minutes, maybe that was a good block!!! Stefan 02:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Wowowow, stay cool there. It's not your fault that people are using Starhub IP to vandalise. Then again, it's not Wikipedia's fault that we have to block Starhub IPs because of these vandals. -- Миборовский 06:03, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Is there any technical-development plan to allow blocking of anon+IP, without blocking registered users using the same IP? Where is the best place to suggest this? We should, as a community, petition for such a tool since this problem affects us so much. Also please raise this problem to Angela during the meetup to push for the development of this said tool --Vsion 06:29, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
See WP:BPP, seams to have consensus, but development is slow. Stefan 06:52, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Lee Hsien Loong

The article Lee Hsien Loong is in bad shape. I tidied it abit, but it would be great if some of you guys can copyedit it further. Thanks. --Vsion 06:32, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

NSLE (talk • contribs • blocks • protects • deletions • moves) desysopped

Due to issues with him acting as a proxy for a banned user, NSLE has been stripped of his administrative privileges by the arbitration committee. Just thought I'd let you SGers know. Johnleemk | Talk 19:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I recently let two of them know it was likely to happen, so I think most of them know, without even needing you to tell them. NSLE (T+C) at 03:04 UTC (2006-06-11)
Thanks. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 03:13, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Vandal watch and <X> for Deletion sections

I have 2 proposals for the vandalism watch and [articles / categories] for deletion sections.

  1. For the vandalism watch section, no articles are to be listed in the section unless they have been vandalised at least 4 times in 48 hours (2 days). Anything less than this is not persistent vandalism, and the article would merit no more attention than any other unprotected Wikipedia page at all, just insert a link to Special:Recentchangeslinked/List of Singapore-related topics for people who monitor Singapore articles for vandalism. To add a frequently-vandalised article for others to watch, just add it to the list of Singapore-related topics. This will encourage more updates to the article, and deny someone the temptation to vandalise a Singapore-related article just for the sake of having it show up on the noticeboard.
  2. For the deletion section, from now on no more entries are to be listed in the section. Instead we will point everyone monitoring Singapore-related deletion discussions to Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Singapore, which is part of a larger WikiProject to categorise deletion discussions. This will eliminate duplication of effort in listing discussions. Closed deletion discussions will no longer be moved to Wikipedia:SGpedians' notice board/Deletearchive, but transcluded at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Singapore/Closed. Take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Australia to see how the Aussies are doing it.

If no one objects to these two proposals in 5 days (120 hours), I will write them on the notice board as policy. Kimchi.sg 06:06, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the vandalism watch, I found some recent vandalism that are disturbing, which involved introducing mis-information into articles such as changing a number or inserting a gramatically correct sentence with wrong information. (such as [12]), Counter-Vandalism Unit agents won't recognised these as vandalism unless they are familar with the subject. I suspect it is the same persistent vandal doing this. I am hoping to make a list of these vandalism in the noticeboard, to identify trends, investigate his or her modus operandi, and connect the dots, and so forth. Logging incidents of vandalism (especially of the mis-information type) is therefore important, also we should archive the list which we are currently not doing. --Vsion 06:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
There could be a global vandalism and misinformation syndicate targeting Wikipedia. Who knows? It's not worth finding out whether your guess is true, because it does not make a difference one way or other. The vandalism of most articles is infrequent, and Singapore articles are no exception. Just revert, warn, and let live - analysing vandal brains is not going to produce anything worthwhile. Even if your theory is correct, and we somehow many to whack that prolific vandal, another will take his place. Kimchi.sg 07:08, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
IMO, undetected mis-information is the greatest threat to wikipedia's reputation and hence the whole project. The John Seigenthaler Sr. Wikipedia biography controversy is a good example. A single article, or a single vandal, can cause havoc. Misinformation are potential "time-bombs" (to borrow PAP's phrase), especially in biography articles. We certainly need better tools to fight vandals. An archive of vandalism will, at the mininum, show which articles have been vandalised and new users can add them to their watchlists. Probably the wordings in the "Vandal alert!" section should be changed, the original intention is not just to alert but also to archive incidents of vandalism . --Vsion 07:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
(de-indenting) How would such a list be any better than monitoring Special:Recentchangeslinked/List of Singapore-related topics? If an article hasn't been vandalised yet, that is no guarantee it won't be vandalised in the future - the reverse is true for formerly heavily-vandalised articles (hanging, anyone?), the vandalism can stop anytime. Having an extra section on the noticeboard will not justify the effort needed to maintain it (add new alerts, remove stale ones); and it runs contrary to the spirit of denying recognition to vandals. (In fact, you've just convinced me to propose getting rid of listing articles in that section.) Any "list of vandalised articles" we make, can and are monitored by the vandals themselves. Kimchi.sg 07:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
This discussion is taking too much time. As with many things in wikipedia, some people find it useful, some people don't. It is basically a section where a user can raise awareness of vandalism incidents. If I'm the only one who find it useful, then take it out if you wish. --Vsion 08:28, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

K, M and N overrepresented?

Hmm. Let's see...

K
  1. Khaosworks
  2. Kimchi.sg
M
  1. Mailer diablo
  2. Miborovsky
N
  1. Natalinasmpf
  2. NSLE

See what I mean? -- Миборовский 05:09, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Coincidence? Or it's the clue to unlocking the secrets of t3h 3l33t cabal? You decide. :P Kimchi.sg 13:48, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
No, it means there is a government CABAL conspiracy to make sure no more than 1 admin with each letter remains. Terence Chua watch out please. :S -- Миборовский 18:25, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
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