Talk:Set (mythology)
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[edit] weasel words
Article (23 august 2006): "The word for desert, in Egyptian was Tesherit, which is very similar to the word for red, Tesher (in fact, it has the appearance of a feminine form of the word for red). Consequently, Set became associated with things that were red, including people with red hair, which is not an attribute that Egyptians generally had, and so he became considered to also be a god of foreigners."
It is valid usage of language, and it can be spelled that way.
Considering W:Weasel words, these words do not contain additional information. Moreover, they confuse at times. The usage in the article is not really in the need of re-write. Probably someone can do it? User:Yy-bo 14:21, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] lower or upper egypt
It's rather difficult to accept that a god of the dessert could be the patron god of Lower Egypt, that is a swampy area. I think you got it wrong! Set as a a god first appears in the Upper Egypt city of Nubt, at the time of the Naqada culture. When the kings of Abydos united Upper and Lower Egypt, the royal god of Abydos, Horus, ruled it over Nubt's Set. That's the origin of the Horus-Set 'quarrel'. The Online Encyclopaedia Britannica, for example, tells this tale in more detail in the Seth article. Lexie Herrera 22:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] word usage (relationships)
I am suggesting to use the term boyfriend for the needs to mention same sex relationship.
This is common practice within other egypy related articles.
Verify WP:NPOV and rewrite relevant passsages. See Saa.
It is not asked for to repeat pun words multiple times, if it can be derived easily from the context. User:Yy-bo 12:00, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
A little insulting. "Consort" does well for any sexuality while not belittling non-heterosexual relationships as merely "boyfriends", as if to say that the friends are just going through a phase or something puritanical-nutbar like that. --Glengordon01 14:03, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- See boyfriend; it is not a wiktionary:degoratory term. It is used for boy/girl as well, and at least one other egyptology article utilizes the term boyfriend. Other words (no need to write them again, see talk archieve) are greek/french concepts. Guess boyfriend has an equivalent in (ancient) egypt thinking and language, it was nothing special (Except the fact the man usually had one or more wives) ! User:Yy-bo 16:13, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes, but let's be real here. The word "boyfriend" and "girlfriend" implies immaturity. In the definition of "boyfriend" we see...
- A boyfriend is a male partner in a non-marital romantic relationship[...]
It suggests that homosexuals are incapable of a committed adult relationship. And that's what makes it insulting and puritanical. "Boy" and "girl" are terms solely for non-adult entities, yes? So "boyfriend" and "girlfriend" gives off a condascending connotation when applied to adults. It should not be used with adults unless you're trying to be funny. --Glengordon01 20:29, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
PS: wiktionary:derogatory, not "degoratory": "Tending to derogate, or lessen in value" --Glengordon01 20:54, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
- You can have this return. Egypts tended not to get that old. And guess they considered adult love (especially old man) as pervert. It was expected to marry heterosexual at a certain age. For the younger people it was not much cared of, and definetively not labelled with greek words. They knew the concept of manhood, however, in the meaning of being a man (and not dressing up as a woman). User:Yy-bo 23:11, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
- PS: sorry for making a mistake. Of course you are right: it can be derogatory to call a 50 year old a boyfriend. try lover, honey, darling etc. My point being for no need at all to refer to the orientation. User:Yy-bo 23:13, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
By your ungrammatical musings, I can see that you can't tell the difference between a homosexual and a transvestite. Look up those words on Wikipedia, please, before talking further nonsense. Transvestites can be heterosexual as well but in a machismo culture (which I assume you grew up in), homosexuality and cross-dressing are confused into one "not-being-a-man" category.
Don't impose *your* culture on the *ancient Egyptian culture*. If you can't keep them straight (pardon the pun), you'll never be able to understand what the Ancient Egyptians actually believed.
As I said, "consort" is sufficient in both heterosexual and homosexual contexts without even having to use the word "homosexual" before it... although your strange aversion to the word is more a product of your own psychosis than stoic logic. --Glengordon01 05:12, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. However i do not see a relation to the article. Seth knowingly had lovers, as well several wives. I do not know if he used to dress in woman clothing. His violence is also known. Definetively the older Seth was psychotic because of alcohol. User:Yy-bo 15:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
If it has no relation to this article, don't bring it up. I don't really know anything about this aspect of Seth. I haven't delved deeply enough yet in Egyptian mythology to be confident in it. However I suspect that some of the answers to your questions might be contained in this book (perhaps, I dunno, I haven't read it yet):
- Bullough, Vern L. "Homosexuality as Submissive Behavior: Example from Mythology." Journal of Sex Research 9.4 (1973): 283-88. [Egypt: Horus and Seth]
--Glengordon01 21:29, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
My issue was word usage within the article. I refer to the previous discussion, which i am not the author of.
I have already written that i recognize unneccessary repetition of sexuality related terms as disturbing. I do not have any sexuality questions right now. Definetively Seth was not exclusively into one gender side, as most people, ancient or not.
Hence the whole discussion is a bit superfluous. It is also, at times, a trial to promote ghey politics into unrelated articles.
And that's what i am trying to change. I have done so with the Red hair article, there was a little bit ghey information. Called ghey by me, because it was just wrong, and no relation to the article.
Glengordon01, this article really requires an expert into the subject. I am just a humble beginner. My petition is to use lover, boyfriend etc. within egypt articles. Because the ancient egypts were not having a hudge concern with it. The articles can not be used to promote unrelated information. User:Yy-bo 12:00, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
You say: It is also, at times, a trial to promote ghey politics into unrelated articles.
Right, so you use pejorative "ghey" for "gay", multiple times too. Don't fake genuine concern when your true intent is clearly sinister and homophobic. --Glengordon01 10:23, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
No it is not so. To use GHEY just means the person who uses the word is not ghey, but is urged to use it for some reason. Ghey can also mean lame, fake, if you want it to be even a bit pejorative about man superimposing woman. GHEY itself also has friendly meanings, unrelated to sexual orientation. The egypts have been invaded by the greek, and not for the good. It is possible to refer to the art style of the pre-greek period. If you do not already know, the egypt empire vanished after the greek and roman domination. User:Yy-bo 16:12, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
In many ancient cultures, namely Greek and Roman Homosexuality was not nearly considered as bad as it is today. Often Bysexuals. As both of you can agree Greek culture barrowed (so to speak) alot from the egyptians. And Roman culture barrowed even more from Greek Culture. Today there are records of Roman Emerpors who had relations with other men. But where also considered to be lovers of women. Thus the assumtion that we can even comprehend sexuality in the ancient world is completely wrong. We have no way of knowing if Set was 'gay'. There are aslo inscriptions indicating that gods could take human form as male or female at will. Once again showing that we have very little understanding of Egyptian sexuality. 85.18.66.23 20:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)Patrick Nimic, Dr. of Latin studies Brentwood University.
[edit] there is no horus set conflict
The idea of horus( light of the moon of rea(ra)s light(not even speeled phonetically horus) hore-as is the son of the sun god born unto imacualate conseption. Set is a sun god manifestation, as in the rising and SETing sun. many words from egypt still remain in many different languages. The idea of some sort of conflict was invented to zeus chronos up the whole thing and uttilized by people to gain favor with people who either hate or enjoy egyptology. If you hate egyptology the frauds side with you claiming ra is their mom and the rest of the world are idiots or vis versa. It is also used as an attempt to suplant certain people with in the egyptian folklore and history that do not belong there hence the improprer spelling of ore-as as horus. ore=hamin at ore (the minatore) refferrenced by the greeks, "as" light of the father set hint hint hint.
Not everyone name ore hore thor thorn etc. (or for that matter ra rea rah etc.0 is fraudulent however, after all alot of people have their history back in egypt i should know I am desendent from egyptians also. But with its recent porularity there are al kinds of opportuntists out there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.14.129.253 (talk) 16:58, 28 March 2007 (UTC).
