User talk:Serpentine17ice

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Contents 1 Attention! Ahem... ORDER! 2 Ur user page 3 Religion Discussion continued...(sigh) 4 Obituary 5 At the end of the road

[edit] Attention! Ahem... ORDER!

I have edited many of your comments (eg. organising paragraphs). Be proud of me! Also, I must plead for all of you to please stop arguing on MY user talk page! But then again... *reconsiders* Okay... continue arguing! Just make your comments nice and neat please! --Serpentine17ice 04:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ur user page

I saw on ur user page a piece sayng that you havent lived until youve done ur herats desire. Well im afraid that it is this airy-fairy, naive -pop culture thinking that is part of the problem with society. Life is about working hard for and with the people you love, trying to be a good human being and hopefully earn our spot in Heaven. God has given us life as a test, and being good and loving to those we care about, and to the world are much more important than completing some stupid little thing your heart desires, which could be as far-fethched as (i want to be an astronaunt. So your saying that a person whose hearts desire is that has not lived until he has gone in outer space. PFFFFFFFTTTTTTT. How naive and immature. THE MILJAKINATOR 04:12, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Weell... first of all, you're a bit dim if you can't see one vital thing - I don't believe in your so-called God! Jeez... Besides, you should be flexible, if people want to believe in something, who are you to say that they're wrong? It might be a little far-fetched, a little impossible, but if they truly strive for it, if they truly believe - it might happen. So stop breaking people's carefully built hopes and dreams with lecture of your so-called God! Jeez, even the Yezidis were better. Serpentine17ice 08:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)PS. Besides, I'm older than you! So you can't say that I'm immature when you're a juvenile yourself!

Well OK i concede i mightve snapped a bit too much, but i believe passionately in the Catholic faith. We are encorouged to spred God's word, but we aren't doing that as much, Ctaholics are begining to lose their way, and forget about the most important things in life. By the way what do you believe in? Im wat u might call a dying breed of tennager. From my user pasge im conservate, and traditional

I'm Catholic as well, but I don't really believe (no offense to anybody) that religion should totally rule my life. Would life be just as interesting if God actually came down and righted every wrong? And no, the Bible never taught me that, let alone you. If I really prayed to God hard to get 100% in my science yearly without studying, would I get it? Unless I was an absolute nerd and freak, no. Faith does not give you access to control of life. You actually have to work for everything. Lady Nimue of the Lake 06:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC)\

You are incredibly sick if you think that famines and September 11th are what you call "interesting". Oh, and then what, if you dont have faith, then how are you supposed to believe in yourself??? Isnt that what faith is about, no? Why dont you just go out there, and become a terrorist if you want to be "interesting"?!Serpentine17ice 08:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC) PS. Dont even bother replying, Ive got nothing more to say to you.

I don't care. You've got to broaden your mind, open your eyes to my meanings. If a life that was full of happiness and perfection existed...then that would be heaven. What we are living down here is a picture. There's tinges of sadness, there's the melancholy dabs, the bright colours, the morbid splashes, the evil splashes, but the good tinges live in all of us. People don't understand that anymore and think; oh good, now that God has given me the rein of my life, I can go out and be as evil as I want. It won't hurt anybody! Don't they understand that if they hurt anybody, they are hurting a fellow human being? I look at my mother and father when they fight and I want to cry. I look at my sister who takes particular pleasure in tormenting, fighting with me and I want to cry. I listen to you pour out your grievances and I get depressed. I listen to Michelle C and Jess B talk of their parent's wrongdoings and I get all snappy. You can't let those make you depressed. The only way that you can stop it is to bring a little more happiness into the world. Hug your mum. Kiss your dad. Hug your friends. Give them little gifts and smile at them. Love each other. If you get depressed so easily, and you're not even a part of it, how would you be able to bear it if you were there?

I'm sorry - I might have chosen the wrong words, but what I really meant to say is this; the world is depression, war, crime, sadness, Verivian. It is distrust and untruth. But if you just love your friends, love one another, don't be so quick to get angry, you can make a lot of difference. You accused me of flirting; it was a really big insult to me, did you know that? I forgave you. You said to me, right to my face that God doesn't exist. It really hurt me. I didn't say anything. I let you be. Our korean friend shouted at me. Did you know that I became so unhappy that my mother became really worried? I apologised, but I step really carefully around her now. Michelle sprained her ankle. Did you know that I went home and told my parents, and I fretted about as much as she did, even though my parents didn't particularly care? I tried calling her after her exam, but she wasn't home. Did you know when you cried, I wanted to wipe those tears and hug you to make you feel better? Did you know that when you were taking risks playing Ninja, I was flinching for you every time a teacher was coming close and you didn't care? Did you know that I was, and am, your friend?

You're probably telling yourself: what a load of bull and lies - she's only doing this to make me feel better and sorry for her, but it's all truth. I don't want you to play Ninja, to entrap yourself, to play a risky game in front of the teacher. I don't want you to stuff up in the yearlies and HSC. I don't want you to cry in front of me. I don't want you hurt. I don't want you unhappy. And I don't want you to think that I'm a les, because I'm not.

A friend is a friend for life, and you're my friend. It may be too late, but I'm back on the ground saying sorry. You don't understand me, but I understand you better than you think I do. Me and Michelle understand you.

We understand how you feel. We can feel it when you're sad, and so when you cried during HG with Rutter in the front, we were glancing at each other, and glancing back at you. I bet we were the only ones who noticed you were crying.

Do you know how many times I disguised my hurt with lightness? If you give in to despair, Verivian, you're not going to live. Lady Nimue of the Lake 09:43, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Religion Discussion continued...(sigh)

Ok now for my biz. Serpentine, you must understand this this life is not the be all end all. IN fact it IS NOTHING, THE RICHES WE ACCUMULATE HERE ARE NOTHING. WHEN die where will all that go! Whats important, is that we are good people and u , know,m if u ask for Gods forgiveness and are truly sorry, It is possible for everyone to be happy in Gods Heavenly Kingdom. U see, we are not Gods puppets, and neither is every natural disaster form God either. God gave us all free will to choose. I am astonished that u say its Gods fault September 11 or otherhuman acs of terror occured. In life we will all have our crosses to bear, we will see injustices and the like, but Serpentine, the problem is you look at this material earth. In the BIBLE u will see this passage. theses statements are known as the Beatititudes. The poor. The text says that theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Mourners . The text says that they will be comforted . The hungry . The text says that they will be filled . Those persecuted for seeking righteousness . The text says that theirs is the kingdom of heaven. The meek. The text says that they will inherit the earth. The merciful. The text says that they will obtain mercy. The pure of heart. The text says that they will see God. The peacemakers. The text says that they will be called the children of God. U must also learn that God is not a magician or Genie, that grants wishes like that. His plan is far greater than ours. This life on earth is a test for us to see if we are worthy of entering Gods Kingdom. The life after death IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT than our earthy one. I bid you well THE MILJAKINATOR 03:07, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Alright, let us all take a break and read what I have to say and think back to every single thing that led up to this glorious and wondrous moment that we start learning from each other's experiences that are even written on this page. I totally agree with Jakov on the fact that Heaven is the place of perfection and final contentment. But what I do not agree with you is that this earthly life here is not more important than Heaven. What I consider is this; Heaven...or Hell...is the end of the long journey, the destination that we all strain for, well, most, anyway. Like everything, the result is never as important than the process leading up to it. It is the process that you learn from, not the result.

Does it matter whether or not there is a Heaven? (By the way, my friends, it is spelled with a capital h) Is it that important whether you are reincarnated? These are the philosophical mysteries of the universe and I do not think that mankind will ever answer them unless aided by the Almighty in Heaven. Now I give you all a puzzle and consider this. This can be answered by two very different and contesting ways; science and religion. What came first; the chicken, or the egg??? Salutations to you all. Lady Nimue of the Lake 06:35, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Miss Nimue, this is one case where the journey is not as important as the destnation. This life serves for one purpose, to try and get into Heaven. This world so full of evil and deceit, pepoe losing their morals and values. DRAWS NO COMPARISONS to Heaven. Youu mention science and religion, ok there are twoways, but do not think that they are , like, enemies. The Bible is not a dcientific book, and neither should it be taken fundamentalistically. But Science is something that doesnt attempt to "prove religion wrong". Nimue, u mention that the destination is not as importnat as the process by which we get there. Maybe u dont know but, after we die few go straight to Heaven and we do not take our earthly lives there. Weare judged based on them but they do not stay with us. In essence once were dead thats it. There are a few things that can happen when you die. Ie you go to Hell, or straight to Heaven, or attempt to purify your soul in Purgatory. Our soul is not puified by our actions but rather, by fire and we kind of like suffer punishment, or purification for our sins. Then we go to Heaven. I dont want people to think that Heaven is a continuation of this life, it is something perfect diveine and Holy, something this world is definately NOT becoming THE MILJAKINATOR 05:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Mr Jakov Miljak,

I have cause to believe that some of the points that you have written above is actually quite true. To show you which ones I mean, I hope you will forgive me for bolding them so you can actually read back to them. I have also taken the liberty of correcting some of your grammar. Nobody knows what Heaven is going to be like. Maybe it is the highest form of contentment and peace at last. Maybe even Saint Peter stands at the Gates of Heaven. Maybe when you die you even follow a bright light? Apart from some absurdly highly intelligent philosophical people, who knows? Maybe, as User:Serpentine17ice pointed out, maybe you get forgotten. God is Someone whom I am ashamed to admit that I do not think every day about. I think about Him when the time suits, and that is not very often. But, just reading the New Testaments, even I can surmise that he wants us to love each other. Maybe not like future spouses, but at least like friends. You call people of nowaday's society as 'people with low morale and integrity'. I perfectly understand and agree with all my heart. But how do you measure how much someone's morale and integrity is? Can you put it on weights and go 'you, good sir, have a morale of 100kg and you, selfish sir, have a morale of 1g'? Not everybody gets to show that they have high morale, and they might be scared to voice out their opinions. But, Jakov, Verivian, Katya, morale is shown in everyday situations. Insulting each other is not exactly the best form of morale and shows a very single-minded approach to one another. I used to view people as either black (bad) or white (good). It never occurred to me that some might be in between. I actually quite like Katya's (User:JuSt NoD & SmiLe) username. It reminds me that some things right in front of my face are actually meant for my amusement and are still funny, contrary to my serious face that makes me look three years older. As for the 'years don't measure wisdom' point that you brought out, I quite agree. But I had to prove it. Can everyone in this argument prove theirs by holding out hands of friendship? He who thinks he knows all knows naught Lady Nimue of the Lake 07:39, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

If you all think that holding hands will make peace, then you are all mistaken! Nimue, haven't you learnt ANYTHING at all from those books you read??? "Never give up" - that's it! And I for one, will not give up insulting that poor excuse for a human being! Even if it's not in a diplomatic way! Simply not... That guy's just a biased, opinionistic, bigoted, unflexible freak! Serpentine17ice 07:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Verivian, a guy who I know liked me (had a crush on me) whom I did not like at all held my hand when I was in Yr 3. I still continued antagonising him. He does not dare look at me or talk to me now and I just ignore him. And you're wrong; I did learn something from the books that I read; sometimes gentle subtlety is better than strong shoving-in-face-by-an-ignoramus. If you do the first, you may even (once you are good at it, which I am not very) get to insult them right under their nose and they take it for a beautiful or ordinary comment/compliment. If they think once again, I'm afraid that they get more offended than if I just came out straight and said that they were a stupid freak. That is, I'm afraid, just proving that I am a stupid freak. Also biased, opinionistic, bigoted and unflexible freak.

Now, Mr Jakov Milkjak, "rather i think that u are simply angry at the fact that i am proposing something, nicely, along with Nimue, with evidence"; would you please demonstrate how you are proposing something nicely along with me with evidence? I am caught between three possibilities;

1. You are just pulling my name in for something
2. You are trying to speak my formal language, but is turning it out in such a sophisticated manner that even I don't know what you are talking about
3. I am not as good at formality as I thought

So would you please enlighten all of us?

As for the age, Jakob, women don't really tell their age. But if you want the true age of mine, Verivian's and Katya's (Just Nod and Smile), figure this code out;

17

You may be clever, but you might not be wise Lady Nimue of the Lake 09:34, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't believe in this 'life after death'. When you die, you get either cremated or buried in a cold grave, get earth dumped on you, get forgotten. After that, there is only darkness and oblivion. Get used to it. Because, as I sometimes point out to insult people, There is no heaven. Serpentine17ice 01:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

"I bid you well" - honestly, who uses that these days???!!! I mean, hello? We're in the 21st Century here!!! You really are a dying breed! No offence or anything but you might as well have said "I bid thee well"! You sounded that OLD and *shivers* just OLD!!!! That's just DISGUSTING!!! UTTERLY, AWFULLY DISGUSTING!!! You seriously need to get a LIFE!!! Oh, and not to mention pathological sessions with your nearest councillor!!! JuSt NoD & SmiLe 01:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok miss nod and smile, ur username tells me how slow u are. Honestly, its people like you that are the problem with todays society. THE MILJAKINATOR 05:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

You're the one who has the problem! Do you suffer from dyslexia? Because for a teenager, your spelling's really not up to shape! Do you go to a crappy-ish school??? Good advice: read the dictionary every night, and you might get one or two more brain cells! After that, shove your ridiculous opinions up where the sun don't shine! And then people won't think you're such a loser anymore! Or how would people like you (there's very few) get a girlfriend, let alone a spouse???!!! Serpentine17ice 06:35, 23 November 2006 (UTC) Stupid people littering my user talk page.

Hmmmm ok, reading that comment there are two ways i could think about. U actually hate me, or what im writing, so ill try not to take that personally and say that it mightve also been a slight over reaction. Miss Vervian, u r 17? Ur edits show that u do not have the maturity to discuss tedious issues. There is a way to do it, properley, and if everyone could, there would be no tension and people could respect opinions, like i do to urs, although i believe they are false. Poor excuse for a human being, hmmm i havent been called somethng that bad since, well no, i have never been insulted that badly, but, like the donkey in the well ill shake it off. Every human being has a right to his or her opinion, and i belive very strongly in mine. U should not hate me fo, my opinion, and i dont think u do, rather i think that u are simply angry at the fact that i am proposing something, nicely, along with Nimue, with evidence and thats making u feel uncomfortable. Biased, hardly ever, i strive to be NPOV, unflexible, well why should i flex from something i know to be true, just like i know 1 + 1 = 2. Bigoted, well that is the most penetrative thing youve ever said because, htat is exactly what i try not to be when talking about my God and faith. Although i have absolute only one belief and that doesnt crack, always, do i hold respect for other nations and creeds and religions. We are all Gods children as are you. As for freak ill just ignore and i suggest u examine urself before judging others SUPPOSED faults. I was also not impressed by ur attack on my type of editing, u even went to lengths to say i went to a crappy school. I can assure that they are typing errors, beacause i dont proof read my slight spelling and grammatical errors on user talk pages. So is this who you think u are, some snobby, rich girl that believes she has a status quo. Because my parents sacrifice a lot to send me to a good Catholic school and i would like to ask you to refrain from personal attacks. Argue content not the user. plz. I do this in good faith, as it is done on wiki. The same be sed with that just nod and smile and nimue who both attacked me personaly. I bid u well. THE MILJAKINATOR 11:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

So far, I've been abiding by Wikipedia rules in playing a very touchy game. I've already tried not to snap at you, Jakov, for personally antagonising both my friends. But please, I have no idea what I did wrong so that you edited your comment above so that it also blames me as well. I've highlighted it and to show you what I think of that sort of attitude in attacking people who did nothing wrong; you are just either hot-headed or stupid to try and attack someone who was trying to help you!!!

And you broke the code of conduct for all wikipedians!!! Lady Nimue of the Lake 02:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

My dear fellow, I intend to enjoy this life far more than the afterlife. Besides, dear boy, the afterlife in Heaven would be just too perfect. Don't you agree? Besides, being two years older than you gives me two years more experience. Lady Nimue of the Lake 01:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Well great! Now I have another person who wants to redeem and purify my soul! I have nothing against religions Miljakinator (yours, any), but you should understand that I just don't believe in God! It's all very well to say that people choose... but... yeah. I just DON'T want people bothering me about insignificant things. Got that? Serpentine17ice 06:29, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Hehe...my cousin...funny...your reactions to my story...funni...hahaha...Lady Nimue of the Lake 00:08, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not saying you have to believe in God, but the fact is you asked why God lets bad things happen, I just wanted to give you the correct, truthful answer. The issue is not trying to purify ur soul, u should see that, its trying to show u that, there is a reason for everytrhing and that there are some things, that HUMANS CANT SEE taht are more important. Unfortunaetly, athesists just dont understand that concept. I alsofind it slighlty offending the fact that u can call this insignificant. I mean this is the whole point of living! THE MILJAKINATOR 11:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

*sigh*... I just DON'T want to hear about it! Okay? Why doesn't anybody understand??? I don't mind people believing in their religion, but they should just STICK TO IT! And not influence other people IN ANY WAY! Humph!Serpentine17ice 05:03, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Let us drop the point of discussion for a moment and observe the sudden peacefulness that comes thereafter. As Hamlet said; "...To be, or not to be; that is the question...", his beautiful quote from Shakespeare perfectly summarises life to the full. And from my confrontation with Verivian (aka Serpentine), there is a lesson to be learned. Don't push people to a corner where they suddenly lash out, finding no other alternative. I'm not saying what you're doing is wrong, and I'm not saying that it is write either, Jakov, only that you can push a point thus far until someone cracks. My gracious friend's username goes; JuSt_NoD_&_SmiLe, just do the following and accede graciously before she starts ripping your logic into pieces with her twisted logic. Or before I, Nimue the Great (nod nod), start to pull in the rest of my friends on Wiki to aid in this single-minded battle on religion. Now I shall observe the protocol of adults and act like one; Wikipedia is not a forum and argument page. It is actually an encyclopaedia (shock shock gasp gasp)!!! I am not targeting at anyone here present, but I am also pointing out gently that whatever religion you believe in, I do not believe that forcing someone to convert is the right way to go. I also do not believe in throwing a tantrum on the page and saying several words of untruth so that you can get your own back at me. I also believe that someone owes me a typewritten apology. (=])

If you get my point right now, I hope that you will stop this big discussion of 'I am offended' and 'God does not exist' and continue on with your graciously political and religiously fervous lives.

Formality, Grace and Dignity be with you,

Lady Nimue of the Lake 04:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

PS How was that for a formal, gentle and subtle telling off?? =] Alright...maybe it was a touch overdone and lengthy, but, hey! you've got to admit that it is actually rather...good, if I dare say so...

I am never going to apologise! NEVA! Mwahahahahahaha! It's alive! It's alive! Verivian is back!!! OKay, okay... I'm VERY sorry that I said God didn't exist. NOT!! Serpentine17ice 05:06, 18 November 2006 (UTC) PS. Now can you all stop littering my beautiful user page??? Now... GO AWAY!

First; beautiful user talk page. And we're not littering - we're simply filling up the empty spaces. Second; 'it's alive!'????? Well, thank you for the sorry. (smirk smirk) That was very touching. Lady Nimue of the Lake 06:54, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Obituary

I am grieved to announce that our dear friend from Wikipedia has suffered a violent heart attack from the constant tiring discussions and arguments and has now passed away. It was his wish to have this speech read out to all who wish to hear: “ ‘Golden lads and girls all must, as chimney sweepers, come to dust,’ runs the old song. Yet it is hard to accept death as life’s shadow and conqueror. It is hard to believe that the body warmed by the summer sun or by comforting wintertime fires should be forever cold; that the person who lies safe and happily companioned at night should be forever alone in the dark; that the eyes that greet the world flowering in the springtime and the voice that carols in praise of it should be perpetually blind and silenced. No matter what joy in life, no matter how bright and shining its pleasures, the end is the same: a solitary plot of cold earth that the rain beats upon and the wind howls over. Within that patch of ground, flesh once sweet and rosy, grows foul and grey and shrinks and shreds from the bones, heart and brain melt away to nothing. That is mortality: to end forever alone in the dark.” Remember now, how witty and smart he endeavoured (but failed) to be. Remember this noble(less) person who has taken that special place (of hate) in our hearts. Remember Jakov... --Serpentine17ice 03:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I still can't believe that Jakov personally attacked me as I have done nothing wrong!!! He will always take a special place in my heart as a person who attacks everybody! Lady Nimue of the Lake 05:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Personal atack is a an overreaction. THE MILJAKINATOR 12:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I AM NOT DEAD, BUT STRONG AND ABLE MINDED, STRONG WILLED AND DETERMINED, WISE AND SKILLED I AM THE MILJAKINATOR Its funny taken the number of obscene attacks you generated at me all i ever did was discuss like a human being. ou didnt lik that game coz u were losing and switched tactics. Helped rather than hindered by Nimue.THE MILJAKINATOR 12:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Pity... after the time it took you not to reply, I was hoping that something had happened. Oh well... Serpentine17ice 08:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

And Miljak rode in seeking to find a response, after his previous comment, using quotes of logic and wisdom to defend the Catholic faith and its purpose and meanings. Returning after two days, he comes to a place and sees an obituary in his honour. Laughing he reads only to discover that his deeds are 9attempted to be) diminished and "victory" is claimed, at his "death". For he was not allowed to leave wiki for a few days to study for his maths yearly without being proclaimed as one that has, well, died!! Look i dont know what you think but fancy words do not make you wise. I can play both games but id like to use the no bullshit down to earth way as i do everyday. The graetest wisdom rears its head in the simplest forms and ways, and im gonna write in a simle way stating my point and clearing everythig up as this will probably be my last edit here. Now Nimue and the rest I can assure you i am not dead, alive and feeling pretty damn good. First as you can see Nimue, in the begining of my end when i mentioned ur name along with evidence or something. I meant this. You were adding nicely, trying to reason with Vervian and although we had discrepancies, in this case you slighlty bowed your head to this side. Now I used evidence backed it up, and with your added comments, i believed this to be THE SUBJECT OF Miss Vervians Verbal , very offensive spray against me, one that i have never done to that extent, and then she calls me the attacker. In the message i attempt to knock off her attack and provided the reason as her frustration of my good points of view, suppported with evidence from the Bible. However at the end of my message where you highlited my point i also noted Katyas, stupid attack on me, and i also noted your smart alec undercutting "subtle" remarks which attempted to belittle me. I was offended slighty by them and ur overreaction that i had "attacked you". Now , girls , listen , I want you to know that all i ever did was passionately preach my faith , humanely and civilly and discuss it has human beings. Although 17, some of you are not mature and resort to offensive personal attacks on myself, after i successfully cut you all up into nice slices of ham, along with your arguments (directed at Vervian)and as a last resort you personally attacked me. I hope you know what i have done and i attempt to make that clear. May i note that wisdom is not in facy words, or wordplay, but the meaning behind ur words. I believe i am much closer to wisdom than any of you will ever be. Now for the last time i BID yOU all Well, may God guide and be with you all . Amen. p.s Its funny how Vervian calls me the source of hatred, hmmm just look at a fe of your edits and one where you admit to personal attacks! THE MILJAKINATOR 12:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Pointing out one thing, pointing out one thing! OKay... at least he's gone and has stopped littering the talk page with incessant chatter! I'd still like to point out one (actually a few) things:

• he started it.
• he keeps preaching, and I NEVER, not once, wanted to hear it! Yet he still does it.
• somehow, this became a full blown argument. I admit it was partly my fault, maybe even more that partly; but overall, he did "slightly" overreact. If you know what I mean.
• I don't even know how exactly this managed to be full blown.
• from now on, I'm sexist as well as atheist! All the guys I've ever known were annoying...

Serpentine17ice 08:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] At the end of the road

So, everybody, what have we concluded by this gigantic discussion that has just taken place? We all learned what? Just what? Jakov, I apologise for whatever you want me to say sorry for, I apologise to Verivian and Katya too. Frankly, I got tired of going round in circles insulting and berating one another. By the way I found the reason why Jakov insulted me; it wasn't him; it was User:Regeane Silverwolf. She never really was my friend. I decided to swing the boat around and drive in a straight direction right for the sunset or sunrise. I prefer to think of it as sunrise. We can start a new day together after this horrible one and this time, try not to broach the subjects that everybody is so touchy about. If all of you would rather continue this pointless driving in circles, continue, by all means. But I'll just let you know that this offer still stands, and whether or not I'm here, it will still stand for all of us. We can even form this small square? circle? of unique friendship over the net here. Right here, on wiki. All we have to do is apologise to one another. We all have to apologise. I've done my bit, and I genuinely am saying sorry. Now I'll watch this page to see if anybody is interested, and the moment that someone insults or quarrels or tries to pick a fight with me in this peacemaking section, this will disappear. Lady Nimue of the Lake 09:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I like to consider myself an all rounded individual and good at very many things. I like to be wise and clever and witty, and i realise hoever i am not the perfect human being, im still workingon that. Im passioante maybe thats good in some cases bad in others, im not sure, but i dont think i was doing much wrong except annoying Vervian. A lot. So sorry on my part, i got a bit carried away as I sometimes do, to Vervian and i offer you this apology in the hpe that we can put aside our differences.

Nimue, im glad that everything is sorted, and truly debating (i debate at school and i enjoy it) is a sign of intelligence, so dont feel that bad, but when it gets pushed to far well it can get nasty. Hey this is my faith so of course i was gonna get cooked up, but Nimue, i woudl like to applaud ur how could i say it, judicial ability and wisdom, that came in a different form to what we ususally hear, one that isnt as recognised. I have not seen u, but this just furthers my opinion that woman's most attractives are her heart and mind. I bid you well oh and by the way i wouldnt call discussing God, incessant chatter!!!!!!!!! THE MILJAKINATOR 09:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad that everybody just accepted this and apologised to one another. I was beginning to think that if nobody apologised first, no-one else would ever start. Lady Nimue of the Lake 06:22, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Well... she's not called smart for nothing! Wise old owl... Apologies accepted, with apologies of my own freely given out, because I am to blame too... though I'm sad to admit it... You really did annoy me alot, but then again, I annoy a lot of other people as well! Nimue, have you ever known that I have a painting called 'Sunset is Dawning'??? It's a sunset that just beginning, therefore it's "Dawning"...Serpentine17ice 10:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC) PS. Still, I rather liked my obituary, though (as someone said *meaningful face*) fancy words do not mean that I am wise... Okay. Let's just please not start another argument. THough I'm annoying, I hate arguments.

Im not arguing but i think its common knowledge that fancy words do not equate to wisdom THE MILJAKINATOR 05:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

It is common knowledge. I don't think that Sunset is Dawning makes an awful lot of sense? Sunset is dawning...nup. I can't see the sense in that. ... Oh...I sort of get that...cos' Sunset just began...so..! humph! Now, bye for the moment - i've got work to catch up on wiki. Au revoir! Lady Nimue of the Lake 06:22, 29 November 2006 (UTC)