Talk:Serge Voronoff

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Contents 1 Possible image 2 Google translation of Italian Wikipedia article on Voronoff 3 Voronoff Obsession 4 Human Ovary Into Monkey? 5 New Photos 6 Now this is why we have a main page! 7 Sherlock Holmes

[edit] Possible image

From the Library of Congress - see here, and search here for Voronoff. Carcharoth 17:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Google translation of Italian Wikipedia article on Voronoff

Google translation of w:it:Serge Voronoff (version):

"Serge Voronoff (10 July 1866-3 september 1951) was a surgeon Russian-French who, resuming the experiments of sexual physiology of the Austrian Eugen Steinach, divenne famous in the years Twenty for its method of male rejuvenation consisting in the graft of genital glands them of monkey.

Such method gave some positive effect, but of short duration. However Voronoff continued to being considered, from the large public, like one species of modern wizard depositary of the secret in order to delay the old age and to obtain the longevity.

In 1897 it had assumed the French citizenship.

During the first world war it directed the surgical unit of a Russian hospital in France.

Moors to the age of 85 years.

Curious, Voronoff is cited in the text of the song the serum of Strokomogoloff, written from Leo Chiosso on music of Fred Buscaglione, capacity to the happened one in Italy from the same Buscaglione to the end of years 1950. Playing on the assonance with Strokomogoloff, Chiosso used like testimonial of the serum various sufficiently famous Russian personages the public Italian of the age: beyond to Voronoff, Fëdor Mikhailovič Dostoevskij (author of the novel the siblings Karamàzov) Nikolaj Rimskij-Korsakov, Michele Strogoff. The brano playfully lists to the multiple property of one portentosa pozione in a position to resolving not only the aesthetic problems of health and defects, but also the troubles of love and the lack of inspiration of the artists. In the song of Chiosso, Voronoff, also insinuating that the serum of the contender is not a elisir of long life, of it advises the assumption in order to favor the digestive process."

Might be of use. Carcharoth 18:03, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Voronoff Obsession

I have become obsessed with Voronoff, and plan on doing many edits to improve the article. For starters, I think the article needs more information on how the surgeries are completely useless. The way it's written now, it almost seems to suggest that it *might* work.

The so-called "absorption" of the tissue is bogus. At best, you get scarring, which might feel like the grafts. (Not that I have personally experienced the phenomena.)

Also, archive.org actually has two Voronoff books in PDF form available. I have to remember to add these to the reference material.

On top of all of this, I'll be attending a lecture at Carleton University on the topic of "rejuvenation" in the early 20th century. You can be sure more Voronoff material will become available.

I ramble. --Nik 20:42, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Human Ovary Into Monkey?

Is there a source for the story about Voronoff implanting a woman's ovary into a monkey, and then trying to get the monkey pregnant? I found it strange that David Hamilton's book, "The Monkey Gland Affair" makes no mention of it. --Nik 14:39, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I put that in. It was from one of my "external link" sources (I'm a bit lazy about sourcing properly sometimes)... Found it. It is at the bottom of this page here. Carcharoth 22:41, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I've read that site, and noted the reference. But where do they get the reference? All my other research has turned up no other reference. By the way -- awesome work on your part! --Nik 17:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

If this image (seen on this page is from Voronoff's 1920, 1923, or 1924 book, we can get it into the article. I did not see it in the 1920 book. Any one have access to his 1923 or 1924 book? -- Jreferee 06:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I can't claim any credit here. The awesome work seems mostly to have been done by Jreferee. I like the way this article is improving each time someone comes to work on it. May we can hope to get it to featured status. Obviously too late for April Fools, but this should be among the best of the articles linked from DYK. Those pictures of goats and pre and post-op men are great! Now we just need a picture of his monkeys! Carcharoth 14:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Photos

I loved the new pictures so much, I just ordered a copy of Serge's book, "Life". Thanks, guys.

By the way, I posted some before and after pictures of adults on my blog, which I scanned out of Voronoff's book "Rejuvenation by Grafting". Feel free to snatch the photos from there, if at all intrigued. I believe they are public domain now. --Nik 15:33, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Now this is why we have a main page!

I presume the main page exposure this received resulted in someone adding the Heart of a Dog reference. Fasciniating! This is what makes collaborative editing so great. Carcharoth 09:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sherlock Holmes

There's supposed to be a Sherlock Holmes story featuring some bizarre grafting technique. Does anyone remember which story it is? For the life of me, I can't. I've been meaning to track it down, read it, and add info about it to this article. --Nik 19:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Not a clue. Try alt.fan.holmes? Carcharoth 12:05, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Found it. The story is "The Adventure of the Creeping Man", published in 1923. If someone wants to read the story and write it up, that's keen. Or I'll get to it eventually. It's funny -- a character gets the surgery and starts acting like a monkey. --Nik 18:56, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Correction -- no surgery, just serum. --Nik 20:21, 5 April 2007 (UTC)