Talk:Serdar Argic
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Wasn't "Serdar Argic" pretty well established to have been Ahmet Cosar of U. Minnesota? --FOo
Apparently so, but I'm a little leery to "identify" a real-life person and blame him for the Argic-bot. If you feel secure in doing so, then please go ahead. Modemac
As I recall, the "Argic Bot" was a little more sophisticated than just searching out "Turkey" as a word. It also posted to newsgroups that had something to do with the region in general - "Armenia", "Balkans", and most amusingly, newsgroups dealing with college fraternities (i.e., "Greek").
- For what it's worth, I can confirm that Ahmet Cosar (that's AhmeT, not AhmeD) was indeed the person posting all those messages, as the machine in question (anatolia) ran in the office where I worked at the U of MN and I sat next to him for a few months while our employment there overlapped. We were both Comp Sci students at the time. I doubt he was part of the Turkish Secret Police as I've read elsewhere on the web, but I don't have any evidence to support that one way or another. Sarvis (will get around do a user page someday :)
- Googling "Ahmet Cosar" will get you the current location of a person of this name who was a computer science grad student at the University of Minnesota-Minneapolis in the mid-1990s.--Cam 14:44, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)
I was around on Usenet in the early 1990s and it was pretty obvious to me that the original "Serdar Argic" was one and the same as "Hasan Mutlu", who fought a running battle with the Armenian "David Davidian" in most newsgroups simultaneously. From what I remember it was obvious to everyone. I suspect that those two were largely responsible for the killfile feature of news readers becoming standard. People were writing "T*rkey" to avoid drawing them in. Ahmed Corsar may have adopted the Serdar Argic label later, but for a while Mutlu and Corsar were both posting. Here is someone's Usenet signature from 1992:
Kill Mutlus and Cosars wherever you find them
and in whatever circumstances you find them.
Mutlu followups also should be killed as
they form a danger to rational debate.
I notice I'm not the only one with this theory. -- zero 16:35, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Why only one side is mentioned in the article, even though the real story involves two sides?
- This guy seems have done some more of his posting in 2002 from the University of Toronto Medical Dept.
If you have something to add to the article, as long as it's NPOV, please do so. But right now you're blocked for deleting it, and vandalizing other Armenia articles. RickK 02:03, May 31, 2004 (UTC)
- I haven't vandalized anything. You seem to attack anybody who disagree with you on these issues. Discussing a topic is something, blocking others is something else.
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- technically not vandalism. it's radical pov pushing. Badanedwa 21:24, Jun 3, 2004 (UTC)
Separated out references to Ahmet Cosar into their own section, wikified, added some details, removed references to other spammings (seemed unnecessary, as it's covered in newsgroup spam). My technical knowledge of Usenet and e-mail matters is almost nil, apologies if I garbled anything. --Cam 05:37, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Another Reference to Serdar Argic
Serdar Argic is referred to in the novel "Accelerando" by Charles Stross. The novel is available online (under modified creative commons license) http://www.accelerando.org/2005/06/28#download-2
[edit] Yet another reference.....
Cosar's homepage (with a photograph!) is http://web.ceng.metu.edu.tr/index.php?option=com_cow_people&task=view&type=staff&group=0&username=cosar
[edit] "Identity of Serdar Argic" section needs cleanup
The "Identity of Serdar Argic" section needs cleanup. Especially in light of this sentence: "If this is considered a "crime" I have nothing more to say." Is anyone willing to take on this challenge? --Takeel 21:08, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
