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Contents 1 Comments 1.1 sobriquet 1.2 Qala'un Mosque 1.3 Rhodes 1.4 The Painting 1.5 Merge into Selim Bulut? 1.6 Portrait 1.7 Selim wrote Racist Poems About Kurds? What a load of rubbish 1.8 More info..

[edit] Comments

[edit] sobriquet

As far as I know, as a Turk, Selim I had no sobriquet but "Yavuz" that never means cruel. I don't think that a man trying to protect his faith, his land, and his power against the opponents, the rioters, etc. can be more cruel than, for example, conquistadors like Pizarro "roasting", cutting the natives of the American continents into pieces.

I cannot speculate much on the meaning of "yavuz" during Selim's time, but it is known that it did not have the positive meaning it has today. Do not take my comment wrong, I am an avid fan of Yavuz, but this should not restrain us from stating this. --Fethi --.

[edit] Qala'un Mosque

Selim I raided the Citadel of Cairo and carried of the marble dado from the walls of the great Qala'un Mosque to Istanbul. This may be a nice factoid to add to the article; I'm not adding it myself since I don't feel I can judge if it is notable enough. — mark ✎ 17:55, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rhodes

What is the source for his last campaign being against Rhodes? As far as I know, the destination is not known.Fethi 7 July 2005 21:58 (UTC)

Yes he died during the preparations of the campaing. Turkish view defends that Selim I was planning to conquer the west but not a specific place is mentioned. With respect, Deliogul 20:51, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Painting

I remember reading that the current painting is not actually Yavuz, even though it is known to be so in Turkey. Does anyone have first hand info about the issue, and where we can find a real painting if this is not?Fethi 20:02, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

As I know the painting is Shah Ismail, the arc rival of Selim I. With respect, Deliogul 21:45, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Its most likely to Hungary or Italy (as his grandfather who died enroute to Rome) but after crushing Mamlukes both would be useless for someone like him (who loves gold which europe doesn't have). So Very rich Persia under Redhead (shia) Azeri control can be considered as another possible target but who knows...

[edit] Merge into Selim Bulut?

I am strongly against such an action. As a Turk, I have never heard or read anything that would suggest in the smallest way that Selim I was related to somebody named Selim Bulut. The usual Turkish reference to him is "Yavuz Sultan Selim". See for yourself: A search on Google for ""selim bulut" (ottoman OR osmanli)" (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22selim+bulut%22+%28ottoman+OR+osmanli%29&btnG=Search) returned six results, five seemingly related to Wikipedia. The other web site belongs to the business of some Selim Bulut, situated on the Osmanli Street in Ankara. On the other hand, searching for ""yavuz sultan selim" (ottoman OR osmanli)" returns 13,500 results. As expected, there seem to be no reference to "bulut" on these pages. Take http://www.theottomans.org/english/family/selim1.asp, http://www.turizm.net/turkey/history/ottoman2.html, http://i-cias.com/e.o/s09-selim1.htm, or http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0844358.html for example.

By the way, "bulut" means "cloud" in Turkish. You could search for that as well. I did. "Selim the Cloud" retuns zero results (remember that the Ottomans did not have surnames, thus "Bulut" can not be the surname of Sultan Selim). -- Yagiz

Ottomans had family names (surnames) till reign of Murad I who used Osmanli instead of kaya (or mis spelled as kayı) which they preserved from their asena ancestors.But of course Bulut has nothing to do with house of Osman.

It is Selim Bulut that is to be merged into this article, not the other way around. /The Phoenix 15:33, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Myself, and the other individuals that have appealed against the removal of Selim Buluts article do not wish for it to be merged within this one.

Selim 1 bears no relationship or similarities whatsoever with Selim Bulut, as Selim Bulut is as explained a fictional character.

There are numerous crude searches on Wikpedia, and Selim Bulut's entry was 100% genuine, and I, and the inhabitants of North east Lincolnshire would greatly appreciate an article of its own.

- Jim

Ahello. I myself originate from a small rural village near to 'Grimsby' in the North East and my grandfather once owned a copy of 'Selim'. Now, come on, are we really here to question whether a book existed or not?? Is that possible? For me, the only proof that it exists is people who have SEEN it! I have SEEN it, in my grandfathers old home when I was younger. To me, this proves that it is REAL! How can it not be? Frankly, I fail to see how you can dismiss something purely on the fact that you haven't seen it, especially if it is 3, 000 miles away!

- Arthur

[edit] Portrait

The person in the portrait is not Selim I but Shah Ismail. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Orhanoglu (talk • contribs).

-Did you see both just because of the ear ring you say it but the drawing shows a genune ottoman family member that you can trace similarities from murad I to Hamit II

There is little mistake on the first phrase. "Selim I (October 10, 1465 – September 22, 1520); also known as "the Grim" or "the Brave", (Yavuz in Turkish; Arabic: سليم الأول) was the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire from 1512 to 1520

سليم الأول -------> This is arabic, it is written Selîm el-Evvel. That means "Selim the First" not Yavuz.

[edit] Selim wrote Racist Poems About Kurds? What a load of rubbish

Who included the comment about Selim being a racist Kurd hater? were are the sources to back this nonsense up, which poem is this in I wonder.

Actually Selim didn't like Kurds at all and he smashed some of their tribes on his way to Egypt. Here is a poem by Yavuz Sultan Selim about Kurds (If you know Turkish, you will understand);

Kürde fırsat verme ya Rabb, dehre sultan olmasın.

Ayağın sıksın çarık asla iflah olmasın

Vur sopayı al ekmeği, karnı bile doymasın

Ol çeşmeden gavur içsin, Kürde nasip olmasın

I think you get it. Deliogul 13:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

This one is not racist but it is great;

cümle âlem dir bana hep senündür bu cihân

kâfirem ger var-ısa içinde bir taşum benüm

See you, Deliogul 22:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More info..

...(much more) could be found at the Mehmed-paša Sokolović article. --PaxEquilibrium 22:52, 5 February 2007 (UTC) _{Subscript text}