Talk:Secessionism in Western Australia
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[edit] Rename?
Should this article be renamed to Secessionism in Western Australia given it has more to do with the sentiment than an active movement?--cj | talk 03:45, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, I think the article has more to do with the movement/s than the sentiment. But, I have no problem with this change. Feel free to do so. -- I@n ≡ talk 10:10, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Lang
There's no mention of the use of his sunday newspaper 'The Independent' for his argument SatuSuro 11:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Petition
One of the three original 1933 secession petitions - the one that went to the House of Lords I think - is apparently on display at the Constitution Centre in West Perth. I'll try to get out there sometime to grab a piccy. -- I@n ≡ talk 03:27, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] 2006
Can anybody provide reference to the actual articles that suggest secessionism has re-emerged?
- I'm not sure that it ever submerged. I can barely recall a period of more than a few years when it wasn't semi-seriously being discussed in the West. But I take your point, the article does need more coverage of the current debate esp with respect to GST funding and the economic rationale. That's something a bit out of my league though, so I'll leave it for others. -- I@n 12:31, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
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- Big problem is the off the cuff mix of pollies, 'leaders of industry et al' and the journos - it would be worth a good honours/masters thesis to trawl the west for its whole history (sigh) or the independent when lang was running his bit, and earlier newspapers long dead - for direct and indirect references to the issue - one way of saying, long before ian or self were around, it bobs up and down like a cork on the froth and bubble of west oz politics - regardless of what any secondary source/historian might say otherwise. :{ SatuSuro 12:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
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- I would say there is always an under current in WA politics about secession, I'd be suprised if there was more than 12 months between articles appearing in the West since they first started printing, it definately appears more often than daylight saving. As for getting references to west article you need to a paid up net subscriber to get recent information battye library is still 10-15 years behind on micro film copies. There may be something in Aunties archives, when i got spare time I'll see whats lurking. Gnangarra 14:03, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
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- As a State Records Office of Western Australia user - there just may be some short cuts in there, probably lurking there in august regularly, my time no cost SatuSuro 14:44, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- I can't find any evidence that it was discussed in particular in July 2006 in any major media - the only reference anywhere from that time is a blog article under News.com.au's "Perth Now" website, which attracted just 10 or 11 comments. I did find comments by Norman Moore, Upper House MLC, in September 2005. I vote that this particular section be removed as it cannot be independently verified. Orderinchaos78 01:48, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
- Quick search of aunties site doesn't throw anything up for July 06 but it does during May 06 from the state branch WA farmers federation, Also Moore's 2005 comments had a run for most of August and September 05. So its definately worthy to be there, also given that Norman Moore is a significant long term figure in mainstream WA politics his comment are also significant. I wont have time during the next week to address this section but after that I'll be able to spend time and get references for now I'll drop a [citation needed] on the section. Gnangarra 02:28, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
- Can I second the recommendation to delete this section or at least alter the wording substantially? It's full of weasel words : "a perceived grab for power" - perceived by who?; "has lead to several major politicians" - which ones? and what is a 'major' politician? etc. Also there are no refernces, I tried to find some to add but couldn't find a single one. Could this not be better stated along the lines of "some sectors of the WA population expressed discontent... etc" ? --Nickj69 10:20, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
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- I'm going to have a crack at rewording the intro as well. It opens well but a bit of parochialism shows through with phrases like "political masters in the east" etc. Feel free to revert if you disagree... --Nickj69 10:28, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Economic Figures?
Given one of the major arguments given in support of secessionism is the economic one, could someone maybe give details on how much WA contributes to the national economy, and a per capita comparison with other states?{{unsigned}144.138.104.64}}
- In the modern economy, in per capita terms, Western Australia was the most productive State with a per capita income of $45,277 in 2003-04 compared with the national figure of $39,234.[1]
- On economic matters, the gold boom was in the years leading up to federation. This was a significant proportion of world production. The economy, although much wealth went to the 'home' country, would have been far ahead of the east. Uninformed guess, but I think there may be a way to expand the Federation section. "Auralia" connection to this? I had the idea that some form of independance (from east) existed for a short time. Will put it on the list for when I unpack my references. Fred 15:41, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] A new country
If western australia secedes from Australia,they should make it into a country in its own right--Poodleman 05:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
- Um... oh, never mind. Hesperian 10:14, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
You sounded as if you wanted to say something then changed your mind--Poodleman 20:06, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
- Poodleman, firstly, the talk page is for discussing the article, not the topic that the article is about. Secondly, your comment makes no sense which I suspect is what Hesperian was alluding to. —Moondyne 00:13, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
So... basically the talk page is for dicussing the main article only and not any of it's branches?--Poodleman 00:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
