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[edit] Sean Paul married/engaged?

Is Sean Paul married or engaged or something? I heard he was. If anyone knows, please give us some info.72.196.231.20 21:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Definition confusion: Deejay

In dancehall music the term "Dee Jay" doesn't refer to disc jockeys as it does with most other music, so the "DJ" abbreviation should point directly to the explanation, rather than to the main Disc Jockey entry. --71.31.237.87 05:49, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Once more, because there are enough edits there: Sean Paul is a deejay. In a dancehall context, deejay is equivalent to singer/rapper. Please do not change to singer or even "DJ". Thanks very much. --Sid 15:35, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I removed the reference to Sean Paul as being homosexual; this is obvious vandalism.

[edit] sean paul IS NOT PUERTO RICAN

I'm not sure if someone has a puerto-rican agenda here. but sean paul has portuguese blood not puerto-rican. --Selector rebellion 22:02, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I also changed his jewish heritage to be more specific, and added the fact that he also has chinese blood. My source is last-fm and my father who knew sean paul's mother personally.--Selector rebellion 22:15, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


why does it say 'also see famous puerto ricans? User:wathiik Because the page want you to search for more famous artists, But HE"S NOT puerto rican. Yody

ys, the article says he speak perfect English without an accent, but I've heard him numerous times not singing (including his Punk'd episode), and he still has his accent. Also on purpose?

He speaks fluent English, but has a cultural accent, no different than anywhere in the Caribbean, or parts of the Southern United States. His accent doesn't negate his fluency, its his mother tongue for heaven sakes. Antares33712 00:16, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I have wondered about his accent myself - I am suspicious that he is like I've have seen Shaggy, singing one way and actually speaking another. I think people just want to know if he is faking the accent for his songs, as it would probably detract from the *perception* of authenticity. --Spesek 18:03, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] He's Canadian?

Can anyone confirm this? I searched google and couldn't find any link to corroborate this... Removed for now, feel free to replace if a citation is included. 216.167.244.113 18:34, 29 March 2006 (UTC).

Sean Paul is not Canadian, he just has a few relatives who live in Toronto (to my knowledge). However, I know for certain that his grandfather moved to Toronto in the 1970's from Jamaica (Toronto has a large West Indian community). Also, Sean Paul has shot a few of his videos in the Toronto area, so whenever he is in Canada, Toronto is like his home. Blackjays 13:17, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

This article could really use some citations. Especially the info of his family, upbringing etc, and definitely the quote from his dad! Does anyone know where this is from?--Richard CHS 13:34, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

He is JAMAICAN and have relatives in canada, But he is JAMAICAN.
I'm new to this article, I've now started to reformat it with correct Wikirefs. It will take a while as I haven't been involved in writing this so the sources/references will need checking. Any help appreciated. Escaper7 15:36, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] some stuff

the discussion re. jeremy harding is not really accurate- "baby girl" predated the "playground" riddim ("who am i" and "infiltrate") - and sean's "infiltrate" predates beenie's "who am i" - although i don't know the exact details of their linking up, i used to live across the street from the hardings, and i know sean from before he was an artist and i know a lot of their mutual friends, so i strongly suspect they knew each other reasonably well before- plus sean's brother jason and jeremy's brother zachary both were in the "uptown" sound system business with coppershot and syndicate respectively and certainly would have known each other Engineroom 02:36, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hackle Mi

I am almost certain I just read this same sentence on his MSN bio. "Sean Paul released his debut single "Baby Girl," with producer Jeremy Harding in 1996; it proved a significant success, leading to further Jamaican hits like "Nah Get No Bly (One More Try)," "Deport Them," "Excite Me," "Infiltrate," and "Hackle Mi." "

What bothers me is that Hackle Mi doesn't seem to be a song. I think it's a catchphrase from "Strategy." Maybe a fan can help out here. --Spesek 18:00, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
it is indeed a part of the lyrics of "strategy". i'm going to edit it now. No29 01:47, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copy editing

I have tried to edit this article as best I can, and added some links and generally tidied up the grammar. Would everyone please check to see if it is ok, as it had a copy edit warning, which i have removed. I checked and hackle mi IS a song. Cheers Nachoman129 09:37, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi. That's good, haven't time to look at article at the moment, but I've reinstated the copy edit box, as this will stick the article into the separate page with all the others that need copy editing (the tag pops it in the categories box also). This will attract more editors purely interested in subbing articles. Escaper7 09:57, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
I tried to clean up the Early life section. ⇒Bayerischermann - 20:34, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
I think it's fine now. Anything else that needs editing? ⇒Bayerischermann - 19:23, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
If anyone can get any decent pics of Sean Paul can they add them as appropriate, plus links to them.Nachoman129 11:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Latest picture is good but needs re-sizing - it's far too long and clashes with all the sub-heads and text, can someone take care of this? Escaper7 12:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Page is NOT good

Okay, the last page was better. Who added the part with the Music Videos? It doesn't look at all. Not even proper grammar. And, I think some more pictures would be nice too. 72.196.229.15 21:49, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] False Statement

"Please note sean paul is a talentless artist, and purchasing any of his records would be like giving money to the next random person you see on the street." This statement is not true!

[edit] Personal life?

da person who sed sean paul is a talentless person is a sucker..

[edit] STOP MAKING STUPID COMMENTS!!!!!!!!

This is a WARNING to people who are making stupid comments on the page like "Sean Paul reppin' East London E15 brapp!" Be careful because you will blocked from wikipedia next time. Mina213 19:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What's his real birthdate?

I find myself a bit confused as Sean Paul's birthdate appears as January 8, 1973. I have seen his birthdate appear as January 8, 1975 on many occasions, and so I thought there was no harm in me changing the date to 1975, until there is OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION of his year of birth. Here is a music site that I frequent, which lists his year of birth as 1975. [1] Blackjays 13:33, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I just came here to ask the same question. Can somebody find a reliable source for his birthdate, as people frequently change it back and forth between '73 and '75. Thanks, riana_dzasta 08:02, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WHO TOOK OUT ALL THE PICTURES????????!!!!!!!!

Who took out all of the nice pictures!!!!! And most of the info is gone now too! I liked the black and white picture and the picture with the green border!!!! Please add them....... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.196.229.15 (talk) 03:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Genres

I can't be bothered to revert this again, but Sean Paul is not a world music artist which Wikipedia describes as one of: many genres of non-western music which were previously described as "folk music" or "ethnic music". Succinctly, it can be described as "local music from out there", or "someone else's local music".. and I fail to say how he can't be described as a ragga act. Escaper7 11:36, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Reggae/ragga as 'World' music seems like a grey area. It mostly comes from Jamaica, which is in the west, although from a western perspective Jamaicans seem like 'someone else'.
Okay, I dont see what makes Sean Paul a "world music artist". As far as I've always known, Sean Paul is a reggae/dancehall artist and if this "world" title is given to him, why not give it to Elephant Man, Vybz Kartel, Bounty Killer or even T.O.K.? Is it simply because Sean Paul is one of the most popular musicans on the face of the earth? So far hes the only "world" musician I have seen on Wiki, and I know that he doesn't exactly represent what the world listens to. Blackjays 08:44, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Sean Paul is a World/Reggae singer. My reference is MP3.Com But you can find more references in creditable music sites. And remember that dancehall is a subgenre and not genre. So please don't remove the world genre. (unless you give me some creditable info) --MehranVB talk | cont 09:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I would have thought a good place to start is the Sean Paul Official Website [2]. He's quite clearly described as: "The worldwide ambassador of dancehall reggae, Sean Paul,...". (see Biog). Not a single reference to being a world music artist - only to having won an awards at the Intnl Reggae and World Music Awards. Escaper7 13:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

"World music" ius a rather silly marketing term, which means next to nothing. At best, it's a parochial way of saying "music from somewhere other than here" ("here" usually meaning the U.K., the U.S., etc.). "World/reggae" is even more meaningless. That MP3,Com use the term is totally irrelevant; must we imitate them, regardless of sense? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Looks to me like that's three comments opposed to any form of "world music" tag, and one in favour, so the consensus seems to suggest removing it. Escaper7 05:58, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Immigration

It says in this article that his Jewish family moved to Jamaica from Portugal in the 12th century. This is, to my knowledge, impossible. See: Christopher Colombus —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.69.39.164 (talk) 08:55, 31 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Intro cleanup

I changed the introduction around to this article, because I felt like it wasn't consistent with articles about other musical artists, and it lists him as a "deejay" instead of a singer. While this has a different meaning in dancehall music, most readers will get confused, since he is most thought of as a singer or rapper within the United States. I also added the fact that he is a dancehall and reggae artist, and not just a "World music" artist. Rhythmnation2004 16:22, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Racial percentages

For some reason the line "Racially, this means that Sean Paul is 62.5% White, 25% Chinese and 12.5% Black" was removed. I added it back, because there is no legitimate reason stated why it was removed. I spent about 20 minutes calculating those numbers, and I am quite certain they are correct. Since many people looking at this article are trying to find out his ethnic background, this information could be very useful in some research. Rhythmnation2004 04:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

  1. If you calculated the percentages yourself, it runs the risk of being original research
  2. Basically he says that his mother is half Chinese and half English...which means that he is at least 1/4 Chinese and 1/4 white. His father's father is of Portuguese descent - Portuguese Jews were expelled 500 years ago - the assumption that they are pure white is a bit of a stretch. His father's mother is mixed black and white - there's no way of knowing how much of each she was. Guettarda 05:49, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
His maternal grandfather was Chinese, and his paternal grandmother was half-white. These are the only two non-white people in his family tree. This means that he is 1/4th Chinese (25%) and 1/8th Black (12.5%). The remainder of his ethnic percentages falls under the White category. This is not original research, but simple math calculations that anyone could do in their head. I will report this issue to an administrator and we'll see what should be done. Rhythmnation2004 14:49, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
What's the source for this information? That's certainly not what the quote in the article says. Guettarda 15:02, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
These percentages are original research. Also, the inclusion of these percentages makes me wonder - why? It doesn't add anything interesting or important to the article.-Localzuk(talk) 15:20, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
It is NOT original research. Anyone with a calculator, pad, and pencil could easily work this out. Draw out the family tree and it makes a lot more sense. The way it is worded is confusing. Drawing out the family tree itself makes it easier to comprehend. Many users DO care about this. In fact, most readers will be coming to this article specifically for this information. These aren't numbers that I pulled out of the air, they were calculated using the quote directly from the article. Rhythmnation2004 15:39, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Comment: Racial percentages

This is a request for comment on the racial percentages of Sean Paul. My original request was as follows:

A line continues to be removed from a Sean Paul article relating to his racial percentages. The line in question is "Racially, this means that Sean Paul is 62.5% White, 25% Chinese and 12.5% Black". This is based on testimony which is already shown in the article. However, I calculated the percentages and posted them, because it is in general easier to understand. Since many users will be going to the Sean Paul article specifically to find out about his racial background, this information is important. The user Guettarda has removed it, stating that it is original research. However, in my opinion, this is not original research, but a simple math calculation that anyone could perform in their head. The only difference is, this makes it easier for readers who are less math-saavy than I am. I have once again replaced the line, but I informed Guettarda that I would report the issue to administration to find out what should really be done.

Rhythmnation2004 15:37, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comment by localzuk

I have removed the information that was sourced to answers.yahoo.com as that is not a reliable source. Also, the answer there was actually sourced back to this page... Also, with regards to the numbers, the information provided in the article does not provide the necessary accuracy needed to use numerical representations (for example, what if the great grandad had a relative who was also chinese or something similar, this would alter the lineage and therefore alter the percentages).-Localzuk(talk) 15:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

To clarify. You are taking 'mixed black and white' to mean 50% of each which is an assumption. That in itself is original research so the numbers are not acceptable. Please read our original research policy.-Localzuk(talk) 15:52, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comment by Fredrick day

The percentages are a mixture of conjecture and guesswork = therefore original research - unless you have a third party source that supports your conclusion. I would therefore support any editor who removes such research. --Fredrick day 15:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comment by SuperMachine

I don't see the point of having someone's race figured down to .5%. The article already describes his multiracial origins; why attempt to provide exact percentages? How would that help the reader? SuperMachine 15:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comment by Fred114

I think the numbers are ambiguous towards their race. On one hand it describes how much of each race has been contributed to that persons lineage, and on the other, a percentage is a precise figure that could never describe the amount of culture that the person has "aquired". Quoting along race lines is difficult, because it reflects the times the author lived in. Perhpas the context for those comments could be stronger. Withit 07:00, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Years Active

I think it's better to change this tag to "2000-present". If you see his discography, there are no 1996 songs or albums and all of them start from 2000. --MehranVB talk | cont 19:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

The article clearly says that he was musically active before then; whether he recorded albums (or albums released globally) is another matter. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alternative Hip-Hop?

Sean Paul is not even close to being considered as an alternative hip-hop artist. I will be suprised if the person who put that in the infobox can make a good claim. Blackjays 09:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unclear Racial Heritage

Sean Paul's racial heritage is quite unclear; by his paternal Portuguese Jewish descent, I am assuming that this lineage (at least the first five generations) is full White (whereas I had assumed he was of (part) Black Jamaican ancestry)? And with the ambiguous term 'Chinese Jamaican' (used to describe his mother's ethnic origin), is this suggesting that his mother was half Chinese and half Jamaican, or simply descended from full ethnic Chinese ancestors who had immigrated decades before from China? This needs clearing up. Can anybody shed any light on this?

Cypriot stud 23:15, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've just read some of the foreign articles, and what I can muster is that Sean Paul's paternal grandfather was a Portugese man of Sephardic Jewish origin, whose wife [Sean's paternal grandmother] was half Black (presumably Jamaican) and half White (presumably Portugese Sephardic Jewish), whereas his maternal grandfather was an ethnic Chinese man, whose wife [Sean's maternal grandmother] was a Coventry-born (presumably White (English)) woman.
Therefore, the calculations of percentages which Rythmnation2004 made are correct (although not necessarily appropriate for the thread). I think that his heritage should be given such detail, although I always believed Sean Paul to have had more Black ancestry than that (unless he actually does have more Black ancestry, assuming that his Coventry-born grandmother is in fact Black (?)).
Cypriot stud 23:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Actually, there's no reason to assume that his grandfather was pure white. Portuguese Jews were expelled in the 1500s...after half a millenium in the Caribbean there's no reason to assume unmixed ancestry. In addition, his grandmother was mixed, which does not necessarily mean half and half...it could easily be a lot more or a lot less (Norman Manley, for example, was the child of a "near white" mother and a "near black" father, as described in his autobiography. Both of his parents would be reasonably described as "mixed black and white", as could Manley, his son Michael Manley and his cousin Alexander Bustamante). I would actually be surprised if his grandmother was a whole half black, given the sociology of race in Jamaica at the time... assuming his paternal grandparents were married or otherwise co-habited, it's likely that she was less than half black (it was, and to some extent still is, more acceptable for a woman to marry a man of darker complexion than herself than for a man to marry a woman darker than himself, especially given Sean Paul's middle class origins). Guettarda 19:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Therefore, the calculations of percentages are entirely wrong and garbage - the only way to work out such a thing would be with DNA tests conducted by an expert - your racial hertiage goes back thousands of years, so percentages worked out in the manner described above will always be wrong. --Fredrick day 20:41, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Samfy I

There is a song named "Samfy I". I didn't see it in Sean Paul's articles. --♥MehranVB♥ ☻talk | ☺mail 08:51, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Problem with "Musical career" section

It says "He is a legend in the world of music". That doesn't sound very encyclopaedic. Can I remove that statement?
138.243.129.4 03:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deleting AOL Music from the External Links

Why you people always delete my link to AOL Music it's very useful?

We're not a link resource; external links should be kept to a minimum, and should only be added if they're appropriate to an encyclopædia article. If there's anything important and suitable at the site, it should be incorporated into the article. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 21:02, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
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