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This needs alot more aout the criticism of sea world and keeping intelligent animals in captivity. --Ehouk1 18:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
There definately needs to be a mention of the Baywatch stunt show incident at the now closed Cleveland Seaworld. Buzda 03:12, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Added it. Buzda 10:10, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Orca vs Killer Whale
The section I created called ‘Orcas’ has been renamed ‘Killer Whales’. I feel it should be called ‘Orcas’ for the following reasons:
- The Wikipedia article on Orcas/killer whales (a featured article) is named Orca; I feel this should be kept consistent.
- Orca is a better name as orcas are not whales but dolphins
- The 'killer' makes people think of man killers, witch is false.
- Orca is also used more internationally.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this? If there are no objections I will change it back. --Ehouk1 11:52, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
I disagree with all these points. The species common name is "killer whale," whether you object to it or not. Or whether it's used internationally or not. Or whether it offends you or not. The fact that they are dolphins is irrelevant. Seahorses are not horses after all. We did not create the common name for this species and it is not within our province to do so now.
As to whether they are indeed killers, that is not a matter of dispute. It is also irrelevant. They are most certainly killers. "The killer makes people think of man killers, witch (sic) is false It does? Why would someone be drawn to the conclusion that the word "killer" indicates a proclivity to kill human beings? And, for the record, there have indeed been documented cases of killer whales attacking humans beings, and they most decidedly do kill other animals, anything they please and sometimes in ways that appear to human eyes to be gratuitous.
The trend to erroneously change the name of this species is based in something emotional, anthropomorphic and unscientific. It should be (and will be) changed back to "killer whale."
(The above was added by Fredjake) --Ehouk1 03:02, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Fredjake,
Firstly welcome to Wikipedia. I assume you are the same person as the previous IP edits that were very similar to your edit (correct me if I am wrong). I do still disagree with you.
I feel that internationally its common name is "Orca," and Wikipedia is international. I never said I was offended by the name. I take your point about it being a dolphin and the 'killer' part of the name however my main point is that the article on Orcas is called 'Orca'. I feel that it is important we keep Wikipedia consistent; they had a discussion as to what the Orca article should be called that is documented in its talk section.
You do not mention that you deleted a load of criticism of SeaWorld in relation to its orcas. You did not explain this, save for the edit summery in witch you said one line (about still births) is incorrect, this is in fact backed up by scientific studies witch I will find and reference.
I am not going to revert immediately as this would be an extremely stupid edit war, but I may look for informal mediating or edit later with reference. --Ehouk1 03:02, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Ehouk, I am indeed the person who has made previouis edits of this type. The arguments I made in favor of killer whale versus orca don't take into consideration the discussion had for the article titled "orca." If it is inappropriate here it is also inappropriate there, but that is a debate for another day.
For the record, I am the communications director for the company that owns SeaWorld and I recognize that a legitimate ethical debate on these issues exists and that it is incumbent upon us to engage in it. I did delete some, but certainly not all, of the criticism of marine mammal captivity, primarily because it belongs in an article devoted to that subject. SeaWorld is one of hundreds of facilities worldwide that display marine mammals and using an article on our parks as the focus for a far larger debate on captivity is misplaced and unfair. I mention earlier that I do not shy from a debate over captivity, but way too many people who argue the points you make trade in half truths or outright falsehoods. For every scientists like Ellis, by the way, there are 10 who hold precisely the opposite opinion. Their voices should be heard too.
If mediation is required here, we will certainly accept the outcome.
Fred Jacobs Busch Entertainment Corp.
I already had put in a request for informal mediation before I read this, you can view and add your opions here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-04-03_SeaWorld#Request_Information
I believe the section on Orca captivity does belong here as the criticism of Ellis and WDCS, as well as other scientists and organisations are often directed at SeaWorld for the simple fact it owns 55% of the worlds captive Orcas. If you feel that there is evidence that SeaWorlds captivity of Orcas is positive or that the criticisms are unjust then I suggest you add these two the article; this promotes debate over war.
For the record, I am personally opposed to the captivity of Orcas and Dolphins, but I am not a member of any organisations that are. I believe this article should have some of the criticisms of SeaWorld reflected in it. However overall I want to build towards a better encyclopedia.
--Ehouk1 15:36, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Plagiarism?
The bulk of this article and the SeaWorldOhioMemories.US Park History article are identical (or nearly-identical to the point of plagiarism). A portion of said article on the external site is credited to "Jeffrey Saunders" but past that I have no idea of knowing the source of either article or which came first, or if they were simply both written by the same person. I'm also not versed enough in how Wikipedia operates to know what to do in this situation other than making people aware of it by posting this note. --(Jtkauff 17:22, 30 April 2006 (UTC))
[edit] Orca/Killer Whale Life Expectancy in Captivity
In the killer whale section, it says that Killer Whales in captivity live to an average of 6 years, with a link, I would think that this fact comes from. However, the link says that on average those taken into captivity live an average of 6 years. This does not mean that those in captivity live to 6 years, it means that those taken into captivity, i.e. not born there, live another 6 years.
This fact is incorrect and therefore should be removed. Any thoughts? 194.193.78.109 13:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I work at SeaWorld and I know for a fact that the whales in captivity live far longer than 6 years. There are whales at SeaWorld San Diego who are over 30 years old and have been in captivity most of their lives. This section of the article should be revised and supported with unbiased fact. It can easily be seen that the website sited for this statistic is biased towards one side of the debate over the ethics of marine mammal captivity.
- For the dolphinarium article I use this as a source. Though it does not mention an average age, you can calculate from those numbers that in under 11 years, >50% of captive Orcas will have died. In the wild, this point is reached at around 29 years of age. BabyNuke 21:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] belive
Shamu is my favorite!He is doing an all new show! BELIVE!! I think it could use some touches...or not!--70.157.212.170 17:05, 21 June 2006 (UTC)skylar
- Shamu is the name of the first orca obtained by SeaWorld. She passed away back in the 1970's. However, Baby Shamu is the name of Kalina, which is the first surviving orca born in captivity. Shamu is a stage name given to all of the orcas residing within the SeaWorld parks. The orca you are probably referring to is Tilikum, which is the largest orca in captivity. SWF Senior Trainer 01:35, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Whales' Names
Maybe I'm remembering this wrong, but when I went to Sea World as a kid (early 80s) I seem to remember besides Shamu there was his "girlfriend", Namu? Anyone else remember this?
- Shamu is the name of the first orca obtained by SeaWorld. She passed away back in the 1970's. The name Namu refers to the stage name given to Katina and Ramu refers to the stage name given to Winston. Baby Shamu is the name of Kalina, which is the first surviving orca born in captivity. Respectively, her parents are Katina and Winston. Although today, Shamu is a stage name given to all of the orcas residing within the SeaWorld parks. SWF Senior Trainer 01:35, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Capitalization
Under wikiproject cetaceans the names of dolphin species are to be capitalized, just a note since I noticed my spelling of Orca got changed to orca. BabyNuke 20:27, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I just thought that was a typo, i have changed the article to fit the standardised use of capitalisation outlined in wikiproject cetaceans. disscusion about this can be seen here: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cetaceans#Things_to_be_standardized --Ehouk1 16:29, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Gallery to commons?
There's a needlessly large gallery at the bottom of the page. Perhaps it'd be better to move all images to commons and refer to that? BabyNuke 22:16, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
