Talk:SeaMonkey

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Contents 1 Allizom 2 Seamonkeys aim 3 Numbers make me happy 4 Merge 5 Faster & Tweaked 6 What does it do? 7 SeaMonkey project hidden? 8 Vandalism 9 Features etc - we need more details 10 SeaMonkey 1.1 might be released soon 11 Is it proprietary software? 12 Portable?

[edit] Allizom

Why (does) Allizom redirects here, but there's nothing about Allizom in this article?--Kakurady 01:00, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for adding that, though I like Allizom better (but that should go to devmo:) ^n_n^ --Kakurady 15:12, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

If I may say so, why does "Allizom" need to be referenced in the article at all? It was just an unimportant joke irrelevant to the software. --Andrew T. 04:33, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seamonkeys aim

Was wondering if you should add their aim stated on seamonkeys website.

"The SeaMonkey project is a community effort to deliver production-quality releases of code derived from the application formerly known as "Mozilla Application Suite". Whereas the main focus of the Mozilla Foundation is on Mozilla Firefox and Mozilla Thunderbird, our group of dedicated volunteers works to ensure that you can have "everything but the kitchen sink" — and have it stable enough for corporate use."

[edit] Numbers make me happy

Any info on how many downloads, etc.? I know that FireFox prides itself in having 1M downloads on the first day, 10M in the first ten days, among other milestones. I can't find this information superficially. --RealGrouchy 23:53, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

We've had the ability to track download counts for about 6 days, though we shipped about 9 days ago (so unfortunately we don't have numbers for the first ~3 days). In the past ~6 days, there have been about 30,000 downloads through the download.mozilla.org links (we can't count downloads if you go directly to the FTP server). --CTho 23:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and the information isn't readily available - getting download counts currently requires asking a sysadmin, which is why RealGrouchy couldn't find it. --CTho 23:25, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

I am for the merge, however, which should remain the title page. There are arguments for both.

In favor of SeaMonkey remaining the title: SeaMonkey is the current incarnation of Mozilla Application Suite. Therefore, it should remain the title, with a section on Mozilla Application Suite.

In favor of Mozilla Application Suite remaining title: This was the original name of the product. Therefore, that is its name, which makes it the article title. Make a section on SeaMonkey.--Ljlego 21:33, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

From the marketing point of view, Mozilla Suite and SeaMonkey are different products. Technically, it's a fork. Different products maintained by different people have separate articles, even if they share the same codebase. - Sikon 14:04, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

No, SeaMonkey is not a fork of Mozilla. It's the same code sitting on the same servers as before, only now branded as SeaMonkey, and it's actually maintained by many of the same people that Mozilla was. But it is a different product distinct from Mozilla, so yes, it should have its own article. -- Schapel 18:40, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I am against the merge. Mozilla Suite should remain for historical reasons. --65.19.87.53 18:41, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I too think they should have separate articles. As mentioned above, they are different products. It's not the same as when Phoenix became Firebird became Firefox, is it? `Zozart ^.chat 20:21, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

No, it certainly isn't. Pheonix was renamed Firebird and then to Firefox, but was always the same product from the same group and used the same versioning system. SeaMonkey is a different product from a different group and has a different versioning system. -- Schapel 04:46, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Looks like most people are for the merge, I am as well. Different Product, Different Marketing, clearer target audience, etc. Lets leave the articles seperate! --Callek 00:12, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm certainly against. You should have mozilla page for historical reasons, with a section which gives a little information about SeaMonkey with a link to the main page. Although they are similar now, you won't want SeaMonkey 1,2,3 all on the Mozilla page in a couple of years! -- User:simongoldring 16:26, 26 March 2006 (GMT)

Completely agree with simongoldring. Mozilla is near to be defunct project, and its page will actually be history article. Seamonkey article may now depict almost the same product, but it is an ongoing project and who knows what will future up-to-date informations be. Anyway, if SM should be merged to Mozilla because of its heritage, think about how many browsers should then be merged to NCSA Mosaic? ;) --Arny 03:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Zero. - Sikon 04:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I think that they should be merged, with SeaMonkey the title, after the Mozilla Suite is done away with, if ever. Otherwise, no merge. ~Linuxerist L / T 14:55, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I was reading that wiki wants to merge this with mozilla. I think if they are going to do that, they should make a mod section for all of the browsers built off mozilla. Anyone?

[edit] Faster & Tweaked

Keep the article on Sea Monkey. I just downloaded Sea Monkey and it's faster and less of a resource hog than Mozilla 1.7. with a lot of tweaking. Just a diferent animal. Noles1984 22:03, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What does it do?

There doesn't seem to be any mention here of what SeaMonkey actually does. Is is just Firefox+Thunderbird, or something similar to that, or is there anything else in the suite? Henry^Flower 14:54, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I thought the first sentence covers that by saying it's an Internet suite. -- Schapel 15:55, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes but Schapel, internet suite is a fairly broad term. I'm also kind of confused as to what the difference here is between just downloading seperate apps and download seamonkey. Are the browsing capabilities just FF rebadged or what? The biggest section of this article is about the name! Seems the priorities are a bit messed up.--Santahul 03:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SeaMonkey project hidden?

In the Products page, accessible from the front page of http://mozilla.org , SeaMonkey is hidden, and instead, the older Mozilla Suite is shown. Are they trying to hide something? Same issue with their downloads page. —Tokek 13:09, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I've filed bug 335249 and bug 335376 on the issues you mention, but nobody has done anything yet. -- Schapel 15:09, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Sure. As SeaMonkey is not officially supported. --minghong 02:42, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Camino also isn't a Mozilla product, but it's listed on the Featured Products and Downloads pages. -- Schapel 12:37, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Somebody please protect this page. I think someone vandalized it, because I saw an inappropriate picture when I visited this article. Interestingly enough, when I logged in and viewed the page, the picture was gone. Emanla Eraton 20:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Features etc - we need more details

As mentioned earlier in the discussion, this article is very vague as to what the software actually does, it just says "internet suite". A more in-depth section about exactly what it can and can't do seems obvious as I'm still unsure myself after reading this article. It would also be nice to know how SeaMonkey works alongside Firefox, Thunderbird etc. For example, is the built-in web browser just rebadged Firefox or is it a browser in its own right based on Mozilla? This article spends more time discussing the name than anything else.--Santahul 13:42, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, much material needs to be copied over from the MAS article, so that this article stands more on its own. Right now, it is written assuming that the reader is already knowledgeable about the [Mozilla Application Suite]. 69.87.193.176 12:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SeaMonkey 1.1 might be released soon

On their FTP-server they have a new folder holding candidates for the SeaMonkey 1.1 release, see here. Usually they release these candidates one or two weeks later. --Denniss 19:03, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is it proprietary software?

In the Licensing section of the Mozilla Firefox article it is stated that the binaries of Firefox are proprietary because of Talkback. The FSF sees also other issues and therefore did a fork but »Google and Mozilla developers are working on Airbag, an open-source replacement for Talkback, that will allow official Firefox builds to be entirely free of proprietary software.« Now what about SeaMonkey and Thunderbird? If there is no opposition, I will remove all the »free ...« categories an add [[Category:Freeware]] -- mms 15:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Only trunk builds have Talkback installed at the moment, so official SeaMonkey releases are entirely free of proprietary software. -- Schapel 15:41, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Portable?

Is there a portable version of SeaMonkey? It would be helpful if the article mentioned this. 69.87.193.176 12:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Because of the way configuration files are handled, it is difficult to make a generic portable version of SeaMonkey. [1] [2] There is no U3 version.
We can only hope that future versions are designed to facilitate portability. 69.87.193.176 14:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)