Talk:Seán Mac Diarmada
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The stamp says he was born in 1883, the article says 1884. Is 1883 correct? I would think the Irish government would probably know. RickK 06:56, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
- I just noticed that myself and was going to go looking into my sources. As I recall, when I wrote the article I came across two years and I guess I decided 1884 was the better one. I can't recall why. I'll try to get to the bottom of it soon though. -R. fiend 07:13, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Seán Mac Diarmada Naming
I would've thought "Sean MacDiarmada" would be a far better known name, because that's what he signed the Declaration of Indepedence as. EamonnPKeane 17:37, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
I would have thought likewise, especially in light of the many GAA clubs and grounds named MacDiarmada.El Gringo 00:14, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I just read this morning's Leitrim Observer and there was a front page article there about 'Seán Mac Diarmada'. That is the name they are still calling him by in Leitrim. I think it definitely should be changed here.
On 'This Week' on RTÉ radio 1 today at 1pm two historians were talking about him, and the other leaders. Each time they referred to Seán Mac Diarmada, and not the version here. The interview in question was in English and was between Eunan O Halpin of TCD [1] and Éamon Phoenix of Stranmillis University [2]. You can hear it here: http://www.rte.ie/radio1/thisweek/ El Gringo 16:12, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Just for the record it was Seán Mac Diarmada and not the name on this article who signed the Proclamation. In other words not only is he known as Seán Mac Diarmada today but he signed his name as such in 1916: http://www.irelandposters.com/dublin/1916_proclamation.html and http://www.iol.ie/~dluby/proclaim.htm El Gringo 16:22, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- By standard wikipedia naming conventions, he should appear under the name by which he is most commonly referred. Googling both names seems to give comparable and inconclusive results, but looking at the name under which he is listed in the indices of books on the subject/period give a telling response. Looking at 16 books from a variety of different authors, I find 11 have him listed under "Sean MacDermott", 4 as "Seán Mac Diarmada", and one as "John McDermott". Even Kathleen Clarke, a close personal friend, lists him as "Sean MacDermott" in her memoirs. As long as the redirects work, I see nothign wrong with the article remaining here. -R. fiend 19:33, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia naming conventions for Irish-related articles: 'Where the English and Irish names are different, and the Irish name is the official name, and has gained favour in English usage, use the official Irish name.' and 'If someone used the Irish version of his or her name, and this enjoyed and enjoys widespread usage among Irish and English speakers, this should be reflected in Wikipedia. Thus, we refer to Máirtín Ó Cadhain, not Martin Kyne; Tomás Ó Fiaich, not Tom Fee, etc.' That is Wikipedia's take on it. In Ireland, as shown above, Mac Diarmada is commonly referred to in English by his Irish name, and it is in that name that he signed the Proclamation that made him famous. On both counts, then, the Wikipedia Manual of Style on Irish naming conventions supports this article being under Seán Mac Diarmada. El Gringo 01:24, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Seán Mac Diarmada
I think Sean MacDermott page should be renamed as "Seán Mac Diarmada", You may not agree so I thought I wouldnt highlight it here first to initiate a discussion or possibly put it to a vote. regards Vintagekits 11:16, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
