Template talk:Scouting Barnstar

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[edit] Proposal for a Scouting Barnstar

The result of the debate was create the Scouting Barnstar _{→EvrikEvrik} 10:18, 10 February 2006

Scouting Barnstar

This award is meant to recognize those who have made an honorable contribution to any of the Scouting related pages on wikipedia.

This can be on any international or national Scouting page. --evrik 19:36, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

• Nice, but I see no reason to limit it to int'l or nat'l pages. A significant overall contribution to Wiki scouting should qualify too. I know 4-5 people that deserve something like this. There is a Wiki Merit Badge too.Rlevse 19:48, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

• • It wasn't meant to be limited, but expansive. :) How would you rewrite the criteria?

I saw the image for the merit badge award, but couldn't find the criteria.

evrik 20:09, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

• Sounds like a good project specific award. My personal idea would be to create a new image with a barnstar inside a meritbadge, with a Fleur-de-lis in there somewhere. — TheKMan^talk 20:12, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
  • I like TheKMan's idea, but I suggest using a patch or image that is more internationally recognizable, such as the world conservation award, as the basis for the image. - Thesquire (talk - contribs) 20:43, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    • I also agree. As with the merit badge, there is no criteria for the award because I did not come up with one. Y'all are still welcome to use the concept. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire) Fair use policy} 00:04, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
• I like this idea for a scouting barnstar very much.

Griz 20:34, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

• I was thinking of using a square knot, but that would be too U.S.-centric.evrik 20:48, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
• This is nice, but the image right now is really bad. --Liface 01:16, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

The barnstar cousl be the world crest (circle purple patch that everyone has) or a merit badge would be really cool. I don't think using square knot would be too US centric. The square knot does has a lot to do with scouting from the US; but that's like makinhg all scout things off limits because its too Britain-centric. My concern wiht the sqaure knot is that is isn;t star-like enough. Gatherton 23:34, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

The World Crest wouldn't be appropriate 'cos it's WOSM-centric - if we used it we'd be leaving out WAGGGS members. -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 23:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposals

[edit] Neckerchief

Proposed Star #2

I was thinking like a neckerchief around the star. What I think it may look like is at the right. I know it looks bad but I did it in like 5 minutes and all I have is paint. I fsomone else wants to make a nicer one, I can e-mail them the oicture I used. schyler 00:42, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

• I like that one! evrik 01:20, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
• Using the neckerchief around the star idea. The necker slide is the wikipedia logo (little blurry though) --(".) Mang Kiko 03:11, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Proposed Star #3

Proposed Star #4

• I would vote for one of these if the neckerchief were smaller and the the shape of the image was more of a square.evrik
  • Can work something out to have a smaller neckerchief on bronze or purple barnstar. Mang Kiko 09:26, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Merit Badge

Image:Barnstar Scout 3.png Proposed Star #5	Image:Barnstar Scout 4.png Proposed Star #6	Proposed Star #7
Proposed Star #8	Proposed Star #9

• I wish I could find a better WAGGS logo. This one did not resize well. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:48, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

• Yeah, the star with the neckerchief and the Wikipedia slide is cool, I'd go for that. Gatherton 04:20, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

• So far, I like the one with the green outer ring and the purple star with the neckerchief the best. Rlevse 13:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

• I'm getting confused on the item above. What one with the green out ring and the purple star .. etc.? I only see one like that without a green ring, and I rather like it although it may be too Scout and not enough Guide. I agree that the Barnstar should cover WAGGGS members as well as WOSM members. --Bduke 22:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

• Even though I still like my original idea for the barnstar and neckerchief, they all look kind of bad. So right now my vote is for the Proposed Star #7 (purple barnstar and green outer ring). schyler 02:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

• I think this is a great idea. Kudos to all of you who have been working on this. Personally, I like Proposed Star #5 (the merit badge with fleur-di-lis in the center of the barnstar) the best. Johntex\^talk 03:28, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

• I rather like the one with the Girl Scout world pin along with the Boy Scout world pin.Griz 19:36, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

• If there are any other ideas let me know, I can try and put it together. But sometimes, having too many choices makes it harder. -Mang Kiko 08:36, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

• The "Boy Scout" logo is actually the World Scout Crest from the BSA. The World Organization of the Scout Movement (WOSM) has authorized five different versions of the World Scout emblem.[1] Copyright would be with the BSA.

• The "Girl Scout" logo is the World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts (WAGGGS) emblem. There is a bit of copyright info on the WAGGGS site.[2]

--Gadget850 ( Ed) 15:14, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

• I like the idea of the barnstar and neckerchief, but they don't look all look all that great. Dustimagic *\o/* ^{(talk/contribs)} *\o/* 19:35, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
• Gadget850, you can't use those particular logos. The only thing you can use in barnstars are public domain or GFDL images. Preferably, all the artwork is your own, but barring that, you should use a PD or GFDL image. --Deathphoenix 19:42, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

• If logos are an issue, I vote for the bronze star with the neckerchief. Rlevse 23:24, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

• Does that also get rid of the one with just a world crest symbol? schyler 02:58, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

• • Yes. It's copyrighted by WOSM and/or BSA. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:55, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

• Well then that only leaves two choices: Barnstar scouting Proposed Star #3, and Barnstar scouting Proposed Star #4. There really aren't any other choices. I think we need to decide pretty soon because there are some people who deserve this barnstar.

[edit] Agreeing on a star

• So, we agree there should be a barnstar. How do we vote on the one we like the best? evrik 02:35, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
• Like so... schyler 13:40, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

• I think once one barnstar proposal gets 10 or more votes (second choice or first), it should be chosen as our barnstar. schyler 13:31, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

• Proposed star number 9 has won. What shall we do now? schyler 19:37, 9 February 2006
  • You can close the discussion and make it a WP:PUA for your project as done in the case of Wikiwings above. --Gurubrahma 13:43, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First Place Star (so far)

Proposed Star #9 likes/dislikes

Proposed Star #9

• LIKE Mang Kiko 02:50, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• LIKE schyler 04:08, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• LIKE (Either purple star or bronze star) evrik 15:01, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
• LIKE . This is a good one. I'd like to reiterate that I believe it should still be a personal user award as opposed to an official topical barnstar, however. --Deathphoenix 18:18, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• LIKE Johntex\^talk 18:39, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I like this one better than number 8, though I like 8 as well. Johntex\^talk 18:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• LIKE . This is the barnstar I had in mind. — TheKMan^talk 19:36, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• LIKE- as a further comment to Rlevse, Boy Scouts are normaly the only scouts to use neckerchiefs, correct me if I'm wrong, but as a Girl Scout of America, we don't use them, but we do use badges as of now Pre-Studio 2B. I like this idea very much and dislike the color purple. Griz 17:40, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
• LIKE sort of, as it seems the only possible choice, now it is clear at least to me that the neckerchief does not fit WAGGGS members, but only WOSM. I agree however that it does'nt look Scouting-like. --Bduke 01:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Second Choice Gatherton 23:36, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• Second Choice - if anyone with photoshop know-how can figure out how to make the barnstar bit look embroidered too, that'd make it even cooler. -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 07:40, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
• Dislike, this basic MB design is BSA-centric. The neckerchief is far more universal.Rlevse 18:11, 3 February 2006 (UTC) PS: the other problem with this one is that unless one is familiar with how BSA merit badges look, NOTHING in this design relates that this is Scouting related.Rlevse 21:33, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Second Place Star (so far)

Proposed Star #4 likes/dislikes

Proposed Star #4

• LIKE I vote #4, purple star with a neckechief.Rlevse 02:29, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• LIKE The neckerchief is a universal symbol of Scouting. Dustimagic *\o/* ^{(talk/contribs)} *\o/* 18:55, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• All the Guides I have known did not wear a neckerchief. --Bduke 20:25, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
  • As far as I know, GSUSA used to have nerckerchiefs but those have been mostly phased out of the uniform. -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 00:23, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
• LIKE as less US-centric than the merit-badge versions -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 00:23, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
• SECOND CHOICE schyler 13:40, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

• SECOND CHOICE (If copyright is an issue) evrik 15:02, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

• LIKE --Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:34, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
• LIKE However does the neckerchief apply to Guides (Girl Scouts) as well as Scouts? Could we have more than one Barnstar - such as this one and one of the two below? --Bduke 07:56, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Having more than one barnstar would be detrimental to our effort to be all-inclusive and have a oneness in the Scouting WikiProject.Rlevse 15:22, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Strike out vote. This one does not fit with Guides and Girl Scouts - a pity as it is nice and striking. --Bduke 01:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Dislike. I personally do not like the color scheme on this one. I perfer the one below to this. — TheKMan^talk 09:29, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Third Place Star (so far)

Proposed Star #8 likes/dislikes

Proposed Star #8

• LIKE --Gadget850 ( Ed) 00:36, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• Second Choice Johntex\^talk 18:39, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• EHHH I think it needs to be a bronze barnstar in there if we were to use this one.schyler 22:44, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Why? Do we need another version to vote on?evrik 01:04, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

• LIKE (Either purple star or bronze star) evrik 15:01, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
• LIKE Mang Kiko 18:51, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fourth Place Star (so far)

Proposed Star #3 likes/dislikes

Proposed Star #3

• LIKE Gatherton 23:35, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• Second Choice. Seems like a nice idea. (also, I'm not a fan of the purple barnstar) — TheKMan^talk 09:24, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
• Third Choice -- evrik 01:07, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What to put on the Barnstar Page

I think there is consensus to create a topical barnstar.

• I think topical barnstars are for the major topic categories, so I don't know if the Scouting barnstar should be anything more than a personal user award. However, speaking from a purely design point of view, I really like Proposed Star #7, not only because it also includes the Girl Scout logo, but also because it looks quite realistic. :-) Oh, but one question, though: what is the source and copyright informaion on the logo images from both the Girl Scout and the Boy Scout images? --Deathphoenix 14:56, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
• Actually, looking at both Topical Barnstars and Topic-related awards, I have to agree with Deathphoenix that the latter seems more appropriate. -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 07:45, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I think that Scouting is a big enough topic on wikipedia that it should not be just a personal award.evrik 18:55, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Personal user awards are given out by a single individual as they see fit. It makes more sense to place this award under topical barnstars. — TheKMan^talk 09:21, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
      • That's not necessarily true. Many of the personal user awards are given out by WikiProject, especially in the topic-related awards (off the top of my head, the Star Trek, Cricket, Pokemon, and Comics WikiProjects all have "personal user awards"). --Deathphoenix 16:12, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
        • How about this: They were created by individual users. I do think we have passed the threshold with this one =) — TheKMan^talk 22:08, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
• Please note that while scouting may be a big enough topic, it would make sense to have it as a PUA for a WikiProject Scouting, if it exists. I can always argue, for example that there are more Cinema and India related articles in comparison to scouting - but that doesn't mean that each topic can have its own barnstar. --Gurubrahma 10:38, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes, WikiProject Scouting does exist. -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 04:49, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Scouting Barnstar

Proposed description Scouting Barnstar

The Scouting Barnstar may be awarded for distinguished efforts in Scouting-related articles. This barnstar is intended for those who show the Scouting spirit in order to advance Wikipedia's coverage of Scouting.

It can also be used to award people who have shown the principals of Scouting in their activities on Wikipedia.

See Scouting Barnstar or Scouting Project for more information. A list of recipients is also at Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/Recognitions.

This award was introduced by the WikiProject Scouting on 10 February 2006 by evrik and was designed by User:Mang_kiko.

• Please note: Image in place is only a place holder.

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It should say "given by" not "created by". Is this design (gold star) what is being proposed? It looks like an athlete, nothing is obviously Scout-related.Rlevse 18:13, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

• This barnstar is already being used (it was designed by me and Brian0918), and is the Running Man Barnstar. Click on the image above to see what it's for. Maybe the image was actually just used as a placeholder, I don't know. --Deathphoenix 18:31, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes, the image in place is only a place holder. I forgot to note that.evrik 18:52, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.