Talk:Scout Motto

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As the Scout motto, this is one of the world's very well-known slogans, so I'm starting a page specifically about it. I'm moving the other (comparatively minor) uses to a Be Prepared (disambiguation) page.

Future contents can include translations into many more languages, the origins of the motto, the play on Baden-Powell's initials, etc. Zaian 19:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I think there ought to be a bit more on the history and meaning of the phrase 'be prepared'. As scouting has always been a proto-military organization, the original 'be prepared' quote comes from Baden-Powell as quoted in Scouting for Boys, 12 February 1908, pages 331-332.

The original full quote is "BE PREPARED to die for your country if need be, so that when the moment arrives you may charge home with confidence, not caring whether you are going to be killed or not"

As such, the 'be prepared' quote has much more to do with militaristic loyalty than I suspect most people these days care to understand.

Yesterday I updated the main page with the true meaning of "Be Prepared," INCLUDING a citation, yet someone deemed it necessary to remove my entry and return to the current text, which has NO citation. The current text is NOT from a primary source and NOT properly substantiated. What's the deal?--Milo rules 16:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, I have gone back and 'fixed' the text to include the original full quote. I have included the PRIMARY SOURCE CITATION, which was previously lacking. The previous entry contained a SECONDARY SOURCE CITATION, which merely referred to the full quote by way of reference.--Milo rules 16:32, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was moved. This proposal has been sitting around for 4 months with no opposition, so I've been bold and continued with the move. -Patstuart^talk|edits 15:16, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Requested move

Be Prepared → Scout Motto — I propose that this article be renamed to Scout Motto to be more inclusive of its meaning. Chris 01:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC) Chris 06:41, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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AgreeRlevse 01:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Agree --Gadget850 ( Ed) 10:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Agree Horus Kol 15:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Agree Lou Crazy 01:57, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Agree --Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:40, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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I don't see that this ever going to grow past a very short article, especially once the cruft (such as the poem and the language stuff) is removed. How about merging this into Scout method? If it grows from there, then it can me moved into a separate article. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 18:40, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

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