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Contents 1 Naming 2 Picture 3 Request to move 3.1 The Scorpions → Scorpions (band) 4 Banned from radio 5 Heavy Metal? 6 Major rewrite 7 Irrelevance 8 False information 9 DATE RELEASES

[edit] Naming

There is no such thing as "The Scorpions". The band's name is Scorpions, as seen in every CD cover they ever published. I am removing the bold element from the "The" in the main article. --Sn0wflake 05:01, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

while the band is technically titled "scorpions", "the" is (along with probably every other band name in the plural) always used before their name in common diction. you would not say "my favorite band is scorpions", would you? it's just incorrect for a proper noun. "the" is always used. i think the page should stay at "scorpions", but the band should be referred to with a "the", as they always are. 67.172.61.222 19:04, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

A different picture is needed, not the album cover of a greatest hits album...especially 20th century masters.

• The actual pic is quite bad too...someone please find a nice promo pic of the actual members and put it there...i don't know how to do it. The Chicken 18:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request to move

On January 1, 2005, at 07:38 UTC, Aqua008 made a request that The Scorpions be moved to Scorpions (band). The page was moved on January 14, 2005 at 22:48 UTC by Frazzydee. Below is a copy of the discussion.

As per Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(definite_and_indefinite_articles_at_beginning_of_name)#Names_of_bands . This band does not use "the" as part of their official name.

[edit] The Scorpions → Scorpions (band)

To comply with Naming conventions, name of bands. Band simply uses "Scorpions" on cd covers and official site as per the external links in that article. -- Aqua 07:50, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)

• I'd rather see the band article moved to Scorpions--all other uses seem to default to the singular, which the band article already disambs at the top. Niteowlneils 18:04, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • It's most common that plural forms redirect to singular, even if there is something like this that could hold that title. Disambigs, like Scorpion (disambiguation), address singular, plural, and other forms. -- Netoholic @ 18:11, 2005 Jan 1 (UTC)

I certainly won't lose any sleep if it ends up at (band), but there seems to be precedent for Scorpions instead--see Cardiac vs. Cardiacs. Granted, that's an unlikely pluralization, but there may be more that aren't listed at list of bands. Niteowlneils 15:57, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

• Support move. -- Netoholic @ 18:11, 2005 Jan 1 (UTC)
• Support. Rd232 16:02, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose, Their official website it the-scorpions.com, and everybody I know, every DJ I ever heard for the past thirty years that I have known them, has always referred to this band as The Scorpions, so it's the common name of the band. It also happens to be a handy and unambiguous name. People searching for this band using google would use "the scorpions" for the same reason--a search on scorpions alone would get lots of hits to arachnids. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 17:35, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Nah, I'll bet its the-scorpions.com only because a porn site registered scorpions DOT com. If I was searching and wanted to avoid the arachnids, I'd type in "Scorpions band". We'll still have the redirect from The Scorpions. -- Netoholic @ 17:49, 2005 Jan 2 (UTC)
  • That doesn't explain the following:
  • Interview transcript, March 2000 "Since the Scorpions are based in Hanover, Germany, the Expo means, for us emotionally, much more than to probably a lot of other bands or artists" -Klause Meine, vocals
  • Interview, undated "We want to show the people that the Scorpions are still rocking." -Rudolph Schenke, guitars
  • Interview, undated " in fact I met the Scorpions in 1977 when they played the Marquee Club in London." -Herman Rarebell, former drummer
  • It appears to me that "The Scorpions" is more than just a pragmatic fix for cybersquatting. It's the name by which band members refer to the band. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 18:30, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment - in all those quotes, The is lowercase. Just as if talking about a group of animals known as scorpions (as opposed to all scorpions), you don't leave out the 'the' in sentences like that. --SPUI 23:32, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
    • Could you take a look at those sources again? It seems to me that the evidence you cite is simply the article "the" being used as part of the grammer in those sentences. Those same sites(not the last one, couldn't access it), especially the about.com one, provide many examples to support the no "the".
      • the "the" is always part of the grammar. whether or not it is in the official name of the band is irrelevant (i guess we might as well keep it at "scorpions" as per the albu, covers) because you will always use the name the exact same way (the Scorpions).67.172.61.222 19:21, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
    • "What does it mean to be a Scorpion?"-1st site
      • This supports my point completely. "Scorpions" is just one way of referrin g to the band and the way that is used in some literature. The Scorpions habitually refer to the band as the Scorpions (as do most people I know). There is no need to move this article, it's where most people would expect to find it. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 02:20, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
    • "Scorpions Official Site" -2nd
    • "Scorpions/Deep Purple On Tour"-2nd site
    • "Scorpions' Rudolph Schenker"- title of article on 2nd site
    • "for two new songs on Bad For Good: The Very Best Of Scorpions is a sign"-2nd
    • From the naming convention page- "A simple rule of thumb is, would you capitalize the definite article in running text?" Those "the"s you quote aren't capitalized. I think the examples you cite are more like when people refer to "the United States" but that isn't the actual name. --Aqua 00:08, Jan 3, 2005 (UTC)
    • It's a subtle point, but it's a good one. I accept it. I still think "The Scorpions" is a perfectly appropriate location for this article, however, and I tend to oppose moves unless I believe them to be strongly justified. No change in vote. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 16:25, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
• Support. Amazon seems to think they are called "Scorpions" without the "The". Noisy | Talk 12:10, Jan 3, 2005 (UTC)
• Support. -Sean Curtin 05:08, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)
• Support. Jayjg | (Talk) 18:55, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

note:while the band is technically titled "scorpions", "the" is (along with probably every other band name in the plural) always used before their name in common diction. you would not say "my favorite band is scorpions", would you? it's just incorrect for a proper noun. "the" is always used. i think the page should stay at "scorpions", but the band should be referred to with a "the", as they always are. 67.172.61.222 19:04, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Banned from radio

Have any of your local radio stations banned the song "Rock You Like A Hurricane" from playing due to Katrina? Tell me if so. CoolKatt number 99999

[edit] Heavy Metal?

Aren't Scorpions a hard rock band? For as long as I can remember, the media classed them as a hard rock, not heavy metal.

Yes, they are. I will change that. --Sn0wflake 16:57, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Removed the rest of "heavy metal" instances. Scorpions have nothing to do with heavy metal.

I changed the main reference to "heavy metal" on top of the page to "hard rock". - Cemendur

[edit] Major rewrite

This article needs an extensive rewrite, and not just to fix the NPOV. There are massive spelling and grammatical errors, as well as sections that are unclear if not just plain wrong. I'm starting on this, but it will take me a few days to complete. I apologize if I step on any toes, but I'd like to bring this article up to Wikipedia standards. - MordredKLB 05:13, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Irrelevance

I am removing the 'the Scorpions' issue from the beginning, it's not so important to be there. and who in the world claims that rock you like a hurricane was such a huge hit, to specify scorpions.. I think it should be removed too but I am leaving it there, sb could take care of it. ~~

[edit] False information

The article says that Scorpions was the first Western rock artist to play in the former Soviet Union, which is untrue. Uriah Heep has played there (Moscow) in late 87', a year before Scorpions did.

[edit] DATE RELEASES

The article has two or more mistakes. First of all "Virgin Killer" was released in 1976 after "In Trance" (1975) and "Taken By Force" in 1977. "Tokyo Tapes" in 1978 and "Lovedrive" in 1979. If you don't believe me, try seeing yourself in the official Scorpions' site. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.5.36.183 (talk • contribs) 14:11, 3 December 2006 (UTC). "Love at First Sting" was released in either 1980 or 1981, not 1984.