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Sub-Zero says that Scorpion fought against Sub-Zero the Younger; this article says he worked with him to atone for killing Sub-Zero the Elder. Which is it? grendel|khan 04:11, 2004 Dec 29 (UTC)

- Both. Scorpion did vow to protect Sub-Zero the Younger at the end of MK2 and turned on Shao Kahn in UMK3 because of it. However, in MK4 he fought Sub-Zero the Younger because Quan Chi told him that Sub-Zero the Younger (along with the rest of the Lin Kuei) was responsible for killing his family. After Scorpion defeated Sub-Zero, Quan Chi revealed the truth. However, this issue gets more complicated with an apparent recton made in MK: Deadly Alliance's Konquest mode, which states that Scorpion had hunted Sub-Zero the Younger for years (which would presumably mean from MK2 onwards) until realising it was Quan Chi who killed his family. As the issue went unmentioned in MK: Deception, and due to the apparent non-canon nature of MK: Shaolin Monks, we won't know the real deal about the Scorpion / Sub-Zero Younger relationship until MK:Armageddon. Due to that, I think we cannot discount all the possibilities mentioned until more decisive evidence comes along. Minty Fresh Death 21:04, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 "Get over here!" 2 Conquest reference? 3 Netherrealm Trivia 4 Potrayers 5 Scorpion's "name" 6 Fatality 7 Swearing 8 Alignment 9 Van Dam Spear 10 height 11 Conquest role 12 Cloned Article? 13 The unsourced part 14 Scorpion's Backflip Kick 15 Scorpion's sword 16 Catagories 17 Trivia section

[edit] "Get over here!"

I've excised the follow line from the article:

• "Scorpion's "Get Over Here!" quote is the most famous quote in not only Mortal Kombat but also in Video Game history."

Calling something 'the most famous quote in video game history' is reckless hyperbole that cannot be backed up. If someone has some kind of statistics to back up that assertion, please reference them in the article. Fernando Rizo 21:12, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Conquest reference?

I'm a tad uncomfortable with that reference to Takeda in the Trivia section. I have never played MK: Mythologies (from what I hear, that may be a good thing...) so I'll ask this before I delete anything: is it made clear that the man who set up the Shirai Ryu (Scorpion's clan) had the name of Takeda and the entire clan wears yellow to mock the Lin Kuei? If there's nothing that suggests as much in the games or in the comic books, the piece of trivia needs editing because Mortal Kombat Conquest is the only other instance I can think where Scorpion is called Takeda, and Conquest isn't canon. It's been suggested before that Scorpion's clan hate the Lin Kuei, so it's not out of the question that the trivia at least bears some truth. It's just, if we can't prove the existence of a Takeda character, then we'll have to edit it so it says Hanzo Hasashi, Scorpion's real name. --L T Dangerous 14:40, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

-It's specified in MKDA's Konquest mode that a man named Takeda indeed founded the Shirai Ryu. The name was most likely borrowed from the Conquest TV show. However, the bit about them wearing yellow as a form of mockery has been retconned. Shadaloo 07:57, 18 January 2006 (UTC) -Yeah and "conquest" is spelled Konquest.Ilikevideogames 23:38, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Netherrealm Trivia

Is there any specific source for this line here:
Because his strength and powers increase while he is in hell he is considered to be the most feared and dangerous individual in the regions of the Netherealm. Many demons, and even Lucifer himself, are afraid of Scorpion.
If not, it probably should be taken out. The trivia section in general needs to be trimmed.Virogtheconq 19:39, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

-There's a line in Deception's Konquest about his powers increasing while in hell, while Quan Chi's decrease. But the rest of that is nonsensical. Lucifer has been deposed by the time Scorpion was "born". Shadaloo 08:34, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Scorpian's power increased in hell because of his evil soul and hatred for all. On the other hand, Quan Chi's decreased because in the Netherrealm, sorcerers lose their power, as Shinnok mentions in Deception.

[edit] Potrayers

Do we really need that section?

Well, the information on who portrayed what characters for some segment of the games/film is as important as the other information in the infobox, IMHO. Virogtheconq 01:43, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scorpion's "name"

the name "Hanzo Hasashi" is a non-canon reference created for the Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Sub Zero game which was not developed by the MK team and is NOT canon, thus I feel it must be stated that although this is the only name we have been provided in a video game that it be noted that it is NOT an official reference created by Ed Boon or John Tobias.

My edits to that effect are consistantly changed to remove the notes that they are not official storyline.

So, does that mean none of the events of MKM:SZ are canon? Even though it's an official MK game?Virogtheconq 17:45, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

• MK: Mythologies is canon, it was made by John Tobias, it's referred to in MK4, MK:TE, and Deception, and Hanzo Hasashi is Scorpion's real name.

No actually just because some parts of the game were referenced later in official MK games, Ed Boon and company have stated that very little of those adventure games counts as canon as they weren't written by the MK team. I believe you can hear that in some of the MK Shaolin Monks interviews.

• Shaolin Monks. Not Mythologies. And once again: Mythologies was written by John Tobias.

You do realize taking out Mythologies removes a large chunk of backstory, right? The story of Mythologies was made specifically to build up MK4. The Shirai Ryu and Quan Chi slaughtering the clan along with Scorpion's family? How Shinnok conquered the Netherealm? Shinnok's Amulet and how Quan Chi got it? Sareena's entire existence? All from Mythologies. Noob-Smoke's Deception ending even makes a reference to a specific part of Mythologies: "As Raiden revealed during the ordeal with Shinnok's Amulet, Sub-Zero's soul had been tainted..." That was Mythologies. Shaolin Monks doesn't count because if contradicts the established stories of MK2 and MK3 and it's unlikely we'll see any references to it in future games. Unless a future game refers to Jade being stabbed in the face by Liu Kang or Quan Chi stealing an Amulet off Shao Kahn's corpse, or anything else that was revealed MK:SM will remain non-canon.

I don't think you quite grasp what I'm saying. Ed Boon said that the other adventure games meant nothing in the Shaolin Monks interviews. He made reference to Mythologies and how it doesn't count towards the official storyline.

Shaolin Monks means nothing, and Boon has been known to contradict himself. These days, the fans decide what's canon and what's not, going by MK series logic, and what they count is just as important as what Boon says. I recall him once saying MK:SM's story overrode MKII's, and later saying that it was a "what-if" type of scenario. He contradicts himself. Vogel's the one in charge of story these days, not him. Besides, I think that comment may have been in reference to MK: Special Forces, which has no bearing on any of the other MK games. That could be counted as a loss, SZ can not. MKM:SZ is where Sareena came from. That's where the amulet saga came from. And if the name of Hanzo Hasashi was referenced as being from MKM:SZ, then it's canon, too. Sub-Zero's choice to remain true to his violent ways of life caused him to eventually become Noob Saibot, and MKM:SZ showed this. It's a crucial part of the MK series, and is entirely canon. Point finale. Shadaloo 02:47, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Well put. I completely agree with this statement. SilentRage 09:05, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, I see no reason to say Mythologies is not canon. BassxForte 05:22, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fatality

One of the Fatalities listed, he turns into a scorpion. Wouldn't that be an animality and belong in other finishers?

Animalities were only in MK3/UMK3/MKT, where Scorpion turned into a penguin. The other games were characters turned into a creature for the fatality are considered fatalities (ie, Liu Kang's dragon fatality). Virogtheconq 22:01, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Swearing

Gamewise, Scorpion is the only and first character to swear. - where does this come from? Virogtheconq 00:17, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

• In MK: Shaolin Monks if you do Scorpion's spear move enough he might say either "Get over here, bitch!" or "Get the fuck over here!"

Although, Jarek said Bastard in MKD's Konquest mode. - The 4th Snake

And Jax also mutters the line "Damn Outworld tech..." in MK:SM. But I think the point was that Scorpion is the only MK character who swears in-game rather than cutscenes. Minty Fresh Death 21:56, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Except that you can't really count Damn as a swear word... The Haunted Angel 22:32, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Some people do. Minty Fresh Death 17:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Some people do, but it's not really counted as one of the seven big curse words.. I think theres an article about it somewhere, but I'm lazy The Haunted Angel 23:15, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I've never heard him say "Get the fuck over here!"... that's interesting to know. I only caught the "Get over here, bitch!" line twice :p Strangely enough, unless you count references to Hell and damnation, there rarely is profanity in MK games.... The S 03:00, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, a lot of M-rated games don't have profanity. TMK has some audio of the clips. I'm guessing it may depend on which version/region you have? Virogtheconq 04:08, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I've heard it several times, and I'm from the UK, so it must mean the European version was unedited in that regard (the game is rated as 18, which is standard for all MK games. Not sure if it's the US equivalent of "Mature" or "Adults Only" though). Minty Fresh Death 17:25, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alignment

It says "GOOD" and that has been confirmed. But where has it been confirmed? I mean, until it is, he's still neutral. Granted I'd rather see him be good than evil, but... still need some confirmation there.

• It hasn't been confirmed. The information that Scorpion is good and Sub-Zero is one of his allies is from fightersgeneration.com, which was false.

[edit] Van Dam Spear

That name for the spear was also used in Nintendo publications to refer to Scorpion's signature move from the first Mortal Kombat game for SNES.

It was in the South American version of Nintendo Power (Club Nintendo), although I'm not sure if it had become official at the time they mentioned the name on it (around 1994).

Nidorino

[edit] height

Why is Scorpion's height 5'9.75? MKDA says his height is 6'2.

Not sure, feel free to change it. It should be noted though that DA makes mistakes for height, specificly Shang Tsungs. The Haunted Angel 20:53, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it could very well be that Shang Tsung might have grown a few inches from his old man appearence in MK1, and even his appearance in MK2. You can think up any theory on that one (more power granted to him by Shao Kahn increases his height, more souls does the trick etc), but unless something new pops up I think we should keep to what it says in MK:DA. And on that note, I think I'll change Scorpion's height now. :) Minty Fresh Death 20:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Conquest role

I expanded the origin and storylines of Scorpion in his MKC appearance. All is verified from episodes of the season watched in depth. AtenRa 13:28, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cloned Article?

This article also exists in another article named "Scorpion (Mortal Kombat Character" So som1 tell Wiki to remove one of them please.

Same article dude, its a re-direct The Haunted Angel 17:25, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The unsourced part

Just to let you guys know, the unsourced quote is from the comics, I saw it once in MKDA as an unlockable in the krypt. Triple-Quadruple 00:51, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Was it also in the original MK instruction booklet for the SNES? I remember a scene similar to that under Scorpions profile (there was a little comic). Anyone got the old manual?--Vlad3163 02:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scorpion's Backflip Kick

I recall the intro of MK:SM , Scorpion runs to attack Kung Lao and does his Backflip kick back to sub-zero. Shouldn't that count in memorable moves?

Yeah, I'd say three games is probably enough. When I begin to format all the character articles on Friday/Saturday, I'll re-add it, unless someone wants to do it now ~ The Haunted Angel 19:26, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scorpion's sword

His sword looks a great deal like a Ninjaken/Ninjato. Perhaps the links to those should be added instead of just having the text "ninja sword." 75.39.69.69

Well, that's what his weapon style was labeled in Deadly Alliance, IIRC. I think I linked Mugai Ryu to the Koryu article since a text search for Mugai Ryu turned up that page, though there was no real content there. Even though his sword may resemble a ninjato (I think it resembles traditional katana more), linking it wouldn't be proper since there's no real source on that. Virogtheconq 08:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Strangely enough, Mugai Ryu is not a weapon, but a stance. It's a variation of iaido/battoujutsu. And it's not represented correctly in MK (turns off unneccessary knowledge mode). The S 02:48, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, that in itself isn't surprising, since technically the weapon is a third "stance." Judging from the name, Mugai Ryu isn't a stance, but a whole school (generally from which several stances can be derived), but that's irrelevant in this context (also turns off unnecessary information mode). Virogtheconq 14:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

According to one of the production notes found in MK: Deception's Krypt, Scorpion's sword is referred to as a "modfied katana". Dunno how helpful that is, though. Minty Fresh Death 19:06, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Catagories

He and Sub-Zero: Fictional racecar drivers? D4S 21:14, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Motor Kombat... although I'm not sure if that should really be counted =/ ≈ The Haunted Angel ^{//The Forest Whispers My Name//} 21:15, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia section

Do we really need to include the first and fourth bullets? I think we'd be able to merge them together, as they're both saying the same thing, basically. Going to edit it, feel free to change it back if it should stay. --Ridyu 07:28, 16 March 2007 (UTC)