Talk:Scone (bread)
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[edit] Dutch word?
Just wondering... what's with the Dutch Loanwords here? I'm Dutch and can't think what word this would be based on, and the article doesn't seem to give any clues. Anyone? :-) 82.139.89.208 18:08, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ottoman?
This is sort of a wild hunch... but were scones invented to celebrate a victory over the ottoman empire? Can anybody confirm/debunk this?
[edit] U.S. vs. UK
Is there any truth to the difference between American and British scones? I have searched the web and can't seem to see any difference in pictures or recipes. See British and American. Can someone post some evidence for any difference? Rmhermen 16:47, Jan 20, 2004 (UTC)
I've eaten scones in Canada, Texas and Britain and haven't noticed much difference -- I would even say that the American biscuit is just a big savoury scone. It does seem odd to me to see talk of "Commonwealth" scones and "American" scones. I've never seen the terms used outside this article. After all, it's not like there are official government approved recipes. -- Derek Ross
- I know what you mean about the whole Commonwealth and American thing. It is used all over Wikipedia! I have never heard of Commonwealth this and Commonwealth that. It seems to me that is was just invented on Wikipedia, as a way to group the non-Americans...--HTait 05:26, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
IIRC the main difference is that in America you can't get scones with currents in them. I may be wrong though. Mintguy (T) 15:39, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Pronounciation
From the article: In the UK, the pronunciation is split along geographical lines, with the south rhyming with "own" and northeners rhyming with "on".
- Utter rot. I would guess this was written by someone who hasn't been south of Watford. The distinction is more an indicator of class than what part of the country you come from Mintguy (T)
- No no, it's all much simpler than that. It's a 'scoan' when eaten with butter and a 'scon' when eaten with margerine ;-) Adambisset 12:35, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Most British people pronounce it as sk'on (to rhyme with gone), but some people from an upper or upper middle-class background (or with pretensions to such a background) choose to pronounce it as sk'own. I'm working class, and I say sk'own. I don't think there is as strong a distinction anymore, and the wording is fairly provactive anyway ('or with pretensions to such a background)
It depends where you live to what you say. In Surrey its usually sk'own then in Liverpool its sk'on
I asked the maid, in dulcet tone To bring to me a buttered scone. The silly girl has been and gone And brought instead a buttered scone.
I am from Luton (England), and I would call it a sk'own, but my mother and father disagree over this matter. My mother, of Yorkshire/Scottish ancestry, pronounces it "sk'own", whereas my father, from the South Coast (it doesn't get any more Southern than that!) pronounces it "sk'on".
I'm more inclined to pronounce it "sk'own", because it contains the word "cone", and everyone knows how to pronounce that. If it was called a "sgone", then perhaps it would be pronounced "sg'on" by everyone since it contains the word "gone". Crunchysaviour 15:33, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Well, I pronounce it sk'on, but I don't see what difference it makes. Sk'own sounds awefully American or attempting to sound pretentious, but I think this changes generationally depending on which one is 'common' and the class basis evolves around this. My father says 'Sk'own' whereas my mother says 'Sk'on', but this is because my mum came to England after it was 'posh' to say 'sk'own' and thought it was 'sk'on', whereas my father grew up thinking 'sk'own' was posh. Nick Kerr 20:44, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
In Oldham (and possibly other areas of the north west) people with a local accent pronounce it sk'own, but the accent's inflexion causes the word to sound very similar to 'scorn'. The plonkers. (80.229.190.214 13:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC))
I think that there should be a section about different pronounciations in the article. It would inform people of how the terms came about and stuff. I'm too tired to do this so somebody else should do it. Also it's pronounced "skon" not "s'own".
[edit] Completely different in USA
These are not at all what I'm used to calling scones. In the US, or at least in the greater Philadelphia area, a scone is a dark, irregularly shaped cake-like breakfast food. I'll have to take a picture the next time I have one, but does anyone know what the universal term for these kinds of scones are called?
- Is it anything like this: [1] which is an example of an Americqn-style scone? I don't consider that dark, though. Rmhermen 20:02, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
In America (at least where I live in Florida), stores sell scones that are thick triangle shaped, dense, floury pastries with a tendancy to crumble, often with bits of fruit and spice in them. They are nothing like biscuits in either shape, texture, or flavor. When a British friend was visiting, he commented that our scones were nothing like the ones he was used to at home.
I don't have a cite for this, but I've heard it said that the American scone is closer to the British rock cake. The recipes (see Jane Garmey's Great British Cooking) seem to be vaguely similar, although I note that rock cakes have eggs in them and scones apparently don't. All I can really say is that when I make scones I use Bisquick, which I admit is pretty much a total cop-out and wouldn't be accepted by traditionalists on either side of the pond. Haikupoet 03:32, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Scone-Faced"
The term "scone-faced" means someone who is dour (sullen or grim) looking. I always thought it was stone-faced, and it seems to make much more sense in context. 82.3.196.17 16:17, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
