Talk:Scion xB
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It should not merge with the Toyota counterpart. User:NewGuy4
There were significant changes made when it was "Americanized" to the xB so that it would comply with our highway and safety standards. In the same vein, there are factory options available for the bB that aren't available for the xB, AWD, for example. In short, they shouldn't be merged.
OTOH, the significant changes were making it LHD, installing bucket seats, availability of a 5-speed transmission and the addition of a spare tire and jack. The cars roll off of the same production line and most of the parts are interchangeable between the xB and bB. You could take an xB and, given access to Toyota's parts bin, convert it to a bB simply by unbolting and rebolting. I don't see any problem with it being merged.
[edit] I disagree with it not being merged
I disagree, as I think it should be merged as they are still the same car, if there is any difference, it should be included in the page
[edit] I'm in the 'Don't Merge' Camp
The Scion (car) page isn't merged, nor is the Scion xA. Subterrane 16:37, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] The bB and xB pages should not be merged.
There are many differences between the vehicles, they each should have their own pages.
[edit] Don't Merge
[edit] Original Post
The bB and the xB are different cars; in my opinion, they have enough differences to warrant separate articles. As someone pointed out earlier, the factory options on the two are vastly different, with the bB having many more. Along the same lines, the xB has aftermarket options from Toyota, TRD and third parties that are significantly different from what is available for the xB. Finally, the marketing and sales strategy of the Scion and Toyota brands are very, very different. Just because the article is somewhat of a stub, and the differences aren't apparent from the current article doesn't mean the two are the same - I think the articles need to be expanded, yes, but not merged. I'd expand the xB article, but I'm a tC guy, myself. Just my $0.02. -JoshW 01:32, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] A Few More Thoughts
I have to disagree that this is similar to the 3000GT/GTO situation. The 3000GT and the GTO are the same car, sold by the same company, under the same banner/name, using the same sales tactics. The car is sold in the US as a "Mitsubishi 3000GT". The car is sold in Japan as a "Mitsubishi GTO" (source: Mitsubishi_3000GT). If the car was sold as a Mitsubishi GTO in Japan and a "Brand X" 3000GT in the US, then it would be similar to the xB versus bB situation, in my opinion.
While Scion is a 'marque' of Toyota, it is a separate brand, just as Lexus is. Even if the physical differences between the bB and the xB seem minor, the entire concept of the car, from the accessories to the marketing and sales strategies, etc. are completely different. Preserving the separate articles allows for a more in-depth discussion of the various approaches Scion is taking to marketing and selling the xB, and the subculture they've created via their fairly revolutionary marketing of the xB. Believe it or not, Scion's approach to marketing the xB is being discussed in management and marketing classes at my alma mater. If the bB and xB pages were merged, the 'differences' section would most likely consume most of the article, which would probably only result in arguments over if the article should be split into 2 separate articles or not.
Furthermore, Scion has not ruled out the possibility of making body changes or other changes to the xB in future model years that Toyota does not make on the bB. The target audience of the bB and the xB is different, and as such, Scion and Toyota are maintaining them as separate cars so they can make changes to one and not the other, or take the two in different, but complementary, directions.
JoshW 20:44, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] In the merge camp
The Xb are still the same model as the Bb body wise, so thats still makes them the same car. Just like saying the Mitsubishi 3000GT are different from the GTO, there is a similar arguments as this on the discussion page WilliRennen 17:37, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Second generation of Toyota bB and Scion xB
The first versions of bB and xB are the same model. But the new Toyota bB(launched Dec.26, 2005) is based on the Daihatsu Sirion(a.k.a.Boon and Toyota Passo), and upcoming new Scion xB will be based on the next generation of Toyota Corolla. -- Anonymous 08:15, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Merge Conclusion
The conclusion of the merge discussion seems to have been to leave the articles seperate. Accordingly, I have removed the merge tag. Kcordina 15:57, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Image copyright
The current image in the table is marked as copyrighted and its use is marked as fair use. Apparently, a better alternative copyright-wise can be found here:
w:en:Image:Scion-xB-'04.jpg; and the same link here in Wikipedia Commons:
commons:Image:Toyota_Scion.jpg
-Mardus 11:35, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Transformers
Ha ha, why is this mentioned in the main portion of the article? I'm as big a Transformers nut as anyone, but I hardly think it's relevant to note every vehicle that's had a Transformers toy based on it in that vehicle's description on Wikipedia.
[edit] Drivetrain
In the American xB, since it isn't AWD... is it FWD or RWD? The page doesn't seem to say, and it's entirely possible for it to be either. Ahanix1989 13:21, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- Front Wheel Drive. ren0talk 15:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. One more question, just how screwed would someone be in this little plastic box if they were to, say, run a red light and I end up hitting them at 40MPH with my van? ( Pictured:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dodge_Ram_Van.JPG ) Ahanix1989 04:33, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Formatting question
Twice now I have tried to fix the 4 edit buttons in the Marketing section. I can't seem to pare them down to one edit link. Anyone (better with wiki obviously) able to fix this? JohnCub 16:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Mini MPV?
It's my understanding that "mini MPV" is a European classification. Why, then, are we applying it to a US-only model? The article already cites a reliable source saying that the car is classed as a small station wagon in the US; shouldn't we follow that classification? Doctor Whom 17:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Has the 2nd Gen xB retained its shape?
I know this may sound crazy, but has it still kept its boxy shape?
