Talk:Schnauzer

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Contents 1 Schnauzer vs Standard Schnauzer 2 Which category? 3 Black Russian Terrier 4 German correction

[edit] Schnauzer vs Standard Schnauzer

This title brings up an interesting question. The approach that the dog project has taken is to make the primary entry match the most-common name used by the major breed registries. The AKC is the only one who calls the midsized dog "Standard Schnauzer"; the Canadian KC calls it "Schnauzer (Standard)", and all the others call it simply "Schnauzer". Therefore, this article should be about that breed only. However, as we can see from this newly created stub, it does seem to make sense to have an article about the Schnauzer type that then points to each of the 3 breeds, in which case leaving this as the summary page and having an entry for Standard Schnauzer would make more sense. Thoughts? Elf | Talk 01:55, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I think, in this case, the confusion makes it worth splitting the pages. One other option would be to have Schnauzer (disambiguation) and Schnauzer, but I think that Schnauzer and Standard Schnauzer is neater and does the job just as well. We could ensure that this page and the Standard Schnauzer page both mention that the breed is often called a " Schnauzer", to catch those looking in the wrong place -- sannse (talk) 14:14, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

At first I thought Elf's suggestion wasn't the right one. This is because of my knowledge of the Poodle breed, which also has three sizes. However, upon reflection, Elf's idea might work best. In the case of Poodles, we have three sizes of the same breed. In the case of the Schnauzers, each size is considered a separate breed. This is an important distinction, and should be the basis for how the breeds' articles are handled.Wcrowe 14:41, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Sorry to throw in a monkey wrench, but I disagree. I think the information contained in this stub is best merged into an article on the Schnauzer. We don't have a separate article on 'Belgian Shepherd' with links to Lakenois, Groendaal etc. We don't even have one at 'Shepherds'--German Shepherds, Belgian Shepherds, Anatolian shepherds...but of course we do have them at the dog groups, 'herding' and 'working'.

1. I don't think we should go by a minority name, AKC or not.
2. If nothing else, the 'Standard' Schnauzer article should be named 'Schnauzer (Standard)'

Quill 21:57, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Actually, we do have a separate article on Belgian Shepherd with links to the four other breeds. :-) And althgouth I like the idea of a Shepherd page that does a similar thing, since it's an overloaded term, it has to be a disambig page to nondog meanings, which means that it either redirects to Shepherd (dog), which I'm not too keen on, or Sheep dog, which, as you noted, already does the same thing. We do have Foxhound with some notes & directing to specific breeds; Cocker Spaniel same thing; Welsh Corgi; and some others. It wouldn't be inconsistent to do it. Admittedly, we're not totally consistent--I'm not sure I like how we've done Dachshund and Poodle, which would/do have the same issues as Schnauzer. But on the other hand maybe we should do scnauzer like we did those? I hate having options... Elf | Talk 22:20, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Okay--big 'OOPS!' It's not entirely my fault, though--is anybody else going through Wikipedia hell? 203.164.6.4 06:22, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

LOL--It's not "hell"; it's "a learning experience"! There is so much to figure out here, and so much information about how things work, that it takes a while to figure it all out. After several months, I'm still in the "huh, didn't I once see something that told me how to xxxxx--but where is it??" stage. But there are also so many opportunities to contribute. Like this. This is an interesting discussion and we probably ought to iron out what we're going to do with *all* similar breeds and be consistent about it. Although breed naming in the Real World isn't consistent, so it's certainly a challenge. Elf | Talk 16:25, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Laugh all you want ;) it was, too, 'hell'!! Wikipedia was being very bad to me, i.e. not working properly. I don't know how I'm going to hold my head up after that boo-boo, though....Quill 23:20, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I think Poodle is a little different, in that some of the breed associations (or at least, the AKC) consider the different types to be the same breed. Presumably a very small offspring of a miniature poodle could be shown as a toy. I am not sure whether this is so, or whether the same is true of Dachshunds. I think this needs some research, but at first glance both seem to be a bit different from this situation, where the three types of Schnauzer seem rather more distinct. That aside, I think both Poodle and Dachshund might work in the same format as this one - even though that would mean six Dachshund articles! It would be consistent at least, but whether it would be consistent at the expense of being sensible I'm not sure -- sannse (talk) 21:23, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I think you're right about 'poodle'. Dachshunds are a mess and I'm not touching it. That is, Dachshunds, the dog, are not a mess, their grouping is...er....never mind.Quill 23:20, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Which category?

OK, so next public opinon poll: Category:Dog types or Category:Dog breeds? Huh, I think I just answered my own question--BOTH, really, since it represents both. Am doing the same for Collie and Foxhound. Elf | Talk 03:56, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

That sounds fine to me Elf -- sannse (talk) 21:55, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Black Russian Terrier

Sounds like a drink, doesn't it? "Hair of the dog" perhaps?

Hardy, har har. Quill 23:23, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] German correction

Just for Info: Schnauzer is not the German word for nose but for mustache. -- de:Benutzer:Bierdimpfl (Germany)

I've corrected this in the article. thanks -- sannse (talk) 20:24, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

this is all bullshit you are just jelous that this dog looks better than all of you get a make over some plastic surgery and get over it!!!!