Talk:Savitri Devi Mukherji

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Contents 1 Nationality 2 Cut down 'related' list 3 Influenced? 4 removed text 5 Marriage

[edit] Nationality

I was wondering if "Franco-Greek" is a correct description of her nationality. While born and raised in France, she never embraced a "French identity", and obtained Greek citizenship early in her youth. Even if she cannot escape identification with with her country of birth, wouldn't it be "Graeco-French" (though this would still ignore her Anglo- ancestry). -- Morning star 15:43, 04 April 2004 (UTC)

It would ignore it, as well as her Italian roots (her father was half Italian) and her embracing of and identification with Indian nationalism. That's why she called herself an "Aryan woman". I think this self-description is really the most matching one--even to label her "European" would mean to cut her identity down to a too low common denominator. -- Falk9 19:14, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, Falk9, the information about her ethnicity is relevant, would have been included in any print encyclopedia before Wiki, and therefore should remain in Wiki. We are not serving HER here, we are serving facts. The reader comes here for information, not for a glistening snow job. Her extreme racist views, coupled with her attempts to "escape" from identification with her own background, need to be presented. The dichotomy is just as relevant to her later political choices as Bobby Fischer's statements that he is not Jewish are to his political choices. Catherineyronwode 00:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cut down 'related' list

It's not standard practice to have quite so many 'related' links. There's no need to link to every well-known neo-Nazi; a few links to general pages will do. --Saforrest July 8, 2005 16:56 (UTC)

I agree. I cut the list down to topics of esoteric nazism that hadn't already been mentioned. -Willmcw July 8, 2005 21:51 (UTC)

[edit] Influenced?

Savitri Devi herself was influenced by writers and thinkers like René Guénon, Julius Evola, and Oswald Spengler.

Where are the sources for an influence of Evola?

Although it wouldn't surprise me if this were true (that Spengler had, at least), this is the first place I've encountered this assertion. Hitler's Priestess only indexes these thinkers to influences on activists who Savitri Devi also influenced. —Morning star 17:46, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

May be she was influenced by Spengler, but the alleged Guenon influence seems nothing but a forgery. In addition, it is not mentionned that she met Subhas C. Bose, and the Pandit Rajwade, from Puna. TwoHorned 19:03, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

She certainly reads like she's been influenced by Guenon, though not necessarily directly. I couldn't provide evidence, though, I'm just saying. Dogville 08:14, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] removed text

I removed the following text:

NOTE: The claim that Savitri Devi influenced Ernst Zündel's views on the Holicaust is false. According to Zündel himself, the reverse is the case. He claims that Savitri Devi believed all the major tenets of the Holocaust story, including the use of homicidal gas chambers. She was extremely skeptical of Zündel's attempts to dispute elements of the Holocaust story. Zündel even suspected that she WANTED to believe in the extermination of six million Jews. At the very least, she did not care. In her 1978 interviews she said that her standard answer to the accusation of the six million was: "Pity it was not sixteen million, then the Jewish problem would have been solved." In the same interviews, Savitri also claimed that she believed in the standard Holocaust story until 1977, when she read Arthur Butz's THE HOAX OF THE TWENTIETH CENTURY.

I have no idea about its validity, and that is why I added the tag. If the info is true, please source it, and add it in a coherent manner. If not, feel free to remove that tag! --Irishpunktom\^talk 15:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I added the claim (that Savitri Devi influenced Zündel's views on the Holocaust) based on what Goodrick-Clarke states in Hitler's Priestess (pp. 206-207). The alternate claim wouldn't surprise me, but—as you say—it would need to be sourced. —Morning star 20:37, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

While certainly believing (and delighting) in the Holocaust from early on, Devi was also quick off the mark in claiming its scale had been exaggerated. For example, the following is a quote from 'Pilgrimage', written 1953-4:

‘By the way,’ said I, ‘it seems that, in their desire to show tourists how “awful” we were, the Democrats have built gas-chambers in former camps in which there were none, and added new ones in such places as Auschwitz … Is it true?’

‘It’s just like them, anyhow!’ laughed Hans F. ‘But let them do so! It will spare us the trouble – and the expense – of new installations, next time …’

Dogville 21:08, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Seeing how the disputed text has been removed, I'm removing the tag for now. I'm going to look into sourcing that claim, however. Deleuze 14:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marriage

There's still no source for the article's claim that Devi's marriage was never consummated. Can anyone supply? 194.66.226.95 11:28, 18 July 2006 (UTC)