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LGBT WikiProject newsletter

Wikiproject Biography March 2007 Newsletter

The March 2007 issue of the Biography WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. Mocko13 22:05, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

silverfang

No im not silverfang.--Fang 23 02:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Whare and what is tn?--Fang 23 03:17, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

php source

I just realized from a google search that your bot is php based. Is the source code publicly available? Agathoclea 17:37, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

What in the world were you searching for that let you to my bot?!?!? :)
I'd be glad to give you the source to test out. Since I'm the only one using it right now, I'm sure there are holes - and there's very little documentation in the code. But if you'd be willing to send me bug reports and test out new versions as I fix things - and maybe even help me document? Then Sure - you're welcome to use it! My goal is to make it public source once it's reached a semi-stable place. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 20:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
grin - google - right at the second one. Fantastic - what is best? Email, if the files are not too big, otherwise I create a FTP account, which might be not too bad an idea anyway. Agathoclea 20:13, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:Leaving

Hiya, thanks for your concern. As for leaving the WikiProject, I might. The past few days have been stressful for me, since I feel like all of my hard work is shunned and ignored, and I don't have the time I need to focus on the Project, or Wikipedia in general (testing season is here). Plus, I've never really edited any article that focuses on the LGBT community (I still live with my parents, who are totally against homosexuals). Anyway, I really appreciate your concern! WereWolf 14:06, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

XDDDDDD LOL! Sure, I'll totally beat you at the jump-a-class. Sometime next weekend, kay? Testing's not over 'till next Thursday, so yeah. WereWolf 23:18, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Uhm, hey, if you want to converse outside Wikipedia, my email's (removed), yo (Happy first day of March!). WereWolf 23:08, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

i unbolded your "oppose"

in the hopes that we won't have a "vote". I hope that's cool. — coelacan talk — 07:33, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Eh. You're probably right :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 07:35, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Technical question for you over there... — coelacan talk — 08:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Surely you see the insanity/inanity of this, don't you? Please peek at Coelacan's page to see our refreshing chat on the subject. :-) Jeffpw 15:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I think I'm with Coelacan on this one. I agree that it's a slippery slope, and I worry about how far it will go. But if removing the flag and/or fixing the text on the banner will address everyone's concerns, so be it - as C said, it's just behind-the-scenes. The article itself is another matter.
All that being said, I have to ask — why Neville Chamberlain?!? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:17, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Policy of appeasement to the Nazis. Had I been thinking more clearly (it was morning for me), I would have made a comment about Vandals and Goths instead. Jeffpw 15:32, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Ahh - more coffee. Gotcha. So would the image solution be something you could live with? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:33, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't really care for that idea. Did you read Haiduc's take on it? I tend to agree with him here. Jeffpw 15:38, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes - caution is a good thing :) And he was the one to suggest rewording. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:47, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Email

Hi again! I emailed you twice, and was wondering if Yahoo user can't email gmail users. is everything okay? WereWolf 23:52, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind :D WereWolf 00:37, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

SatyrBot

I saw that the current project your bot is working on is adding {{WikiProject Spain}} to selected categories. Would it be possible for a future project to be to add {{WikiProject Basque}} to selected categories?--Joebengo 00:17, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Certainly! As you may have seen, there are a total of 1,120 categories for WikiProject Spain, though only 780 are left. So it will be about two weeks before I can get to Basque. By the way, if you can put together a list of categories like that one, it will help immensely! And if you haven't yet, take a look at SatyrBot's current project page and the associated talk page to see how it's set up to work and some of the issues we've run in to so you'll be prepared :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:15, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Sounds Great!, I will get back to you with a list of categories and I will take a look at SatyrBot's page and talk page to get a good idea of how everything works. Thanks--Joebengo 01:27, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I have made a list User:Joebengo/categories it still needs some work so I'll add to it as need be, do I need to add categories that are subcategories of ones I've already listed?--Joebengo 14:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Sounds like it's coming along then! Yes, the bot will only tag pages in the category, not subcategories. It sounds like a pain, but as I've found out from WP:SPAIN, all sorts of subcategories show up that aren't necessarily related to the project.
It's going to be about a week before I can finish up with this other project. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I think we are good to go ahead with it, I'm not sure if there is more than 1,000 articles or not but I think there may be.--Joebengo 17:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Block lift

This blocked user (block log | autoblocks | unblock | contribs) asked to be unblocked, but an administrator or other user has reviewed and declined this request. Other administrators or users can also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy). This unblock request continues to be visible. Do not replace this message with another unblock request nor add another unblock request.

Request reason: "refered to checkuser"

This template should be removed when the block has expired, or after 2 days in the case of blocks of 1 week or longer.
Hmm - could you use the autoblock template? Agathoclea 20:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Refered to checkuser (User_talk:Dmcdevit#User:208.54.95.1. Agathoclea 20:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Please try the autoblock template anyway, so that we can lift your autoblock. I left a message with a second checkuser as well, as they all seem to be on a coffeebreak atm. Agathoclea 20:23, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Nah - don't worry about it - It was too cold to sit outside at Starbucks so I came home :) Thanks for your help, though!!!! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 20:35, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Sport in the Canary Islands

could you put Category:Sport in the Canary Islands back for a manual check. There are plenty of non-spanish footballers in there. Agathoclea 22:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Sure - moved it back. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 02:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

GLBTRT and project

I found out how many people the article is going out to - 850 at the last count, he says. And I've just been interviewed by the Guardian, and the chap seemed very interested in my work at WP:LGBT so we might be getting some free publicity that way too.

Anyway, that's not what I came to your talkpage for. *Puts on irrisistably cute face and bats eyelashes* Satyr, please would you mind most awfully working out a way of creating a Top Twenty table of WikiProjects by number of members with your bot? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 21:00, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Coitenly! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 02:22, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps you could write it so that it only counts a username once? Few people will post on a wikiproject's pages that aren't members. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:38, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
How accurate do you need the numbers to be? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:30, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Don't care, really. It's just personal curiosity, tbh. But accurate enough that the second I checked them they're obselete. :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 23:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
LOL! You realize this is the internet, right?!? :)
I'm rewriting the bot - I'll put it up someplace so you can check when you want :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:34, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Thankyou! Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 16:07, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Most High Grand Magnificent and Glorious Barnstar of National Merit-Spain

Barnstar of National Merit-Spain
Barnstar of National Merit-Spain

The Most High Grand Magnificent and Glorious Barnstar of National Merit-Spain is hereby awarded to SatyrTN for service above and beyond the call of duty, for relentless cheerfulness in the face of severe adversity, and for charming perseverance in a big, big project! Thanks from all of us at WikiProject Spain for hours of work and a great sense of humor throughout! ¡Muchas gracias! EspanaViva 21:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Awesome! Thank you very much! And thanks for all your hard work, even when RL threatened to de-rail us! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:17, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Playa del Fuego

You corrected an error that wasn't. The cost for both events in 2006 was $35. Vees 16:51, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

It happens twice a year, so they can be referred to as distinct events. Vees 19:08, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Offer to fix the cite tempaltes on Mr. Lady Records

That would be truly awesome. Neil (not Proto ►) 16:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Neil (not Proto ►) 12:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Banner Shell

I started up thw WP:GEM project late last year, and used the WP:AUS banner as a structre for that project. Seeing that you already did the WP:AUS banner I presume that it would be straightforward to add the code to Template:WP Gemology and Jewelry? If so would you be able to at some point please? Thanks.SauliH 15:18, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I would think show each subproject/subpage on the line, as well as the rating. Thanks. SauliH 16:13, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Playing JaC

Thanks for your note re San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus's entry in JaC. Yes, I read the instructions but perhaps I'm confused. I started this article less than a month ago, and it was rated as B-class initially. I thought I read somewhere that one could start with a B-class for Jump-a-Class. If I'm wrong let me know and I'll cease and desist! MusicMen 20:49, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I do understand it then. I've been kinda obsessed with this article lately, so it seems like a good time to give JaC a shot - I enjoy a challenge! MusicMen 21:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Trocadero Transfer

The LGBT Category sign was removed in error. I put it back. By the way, next year a friend of mine who is a DJ and I will be putting on a show at the San Francisco Gay and Lesbian Historical Society about the history of gay night clubs in San Francisco since 1965 (I have lived in San Francisco all my life). Best wishes, Keraunos 10:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

My friend I am doing the historical exhibit with used to be one of the DJ's that played at the Trocadero Transfer. Keraunos 10:26, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

You might be interested to know that I wrote the entire article on the gay color, Lavender ! Best wishes, Keraunos 10:19, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Continuing Werdnabot problems

Maybe poor Werdnabot has a cold; maybe s/he feels exploited and is on strike; all I know is that s/he won't archive my pages anymore. I did change my archives just a tad bit. Do you suppose Werdna is so persnickety that/he doesn't want to archive to my recently revamped archives? yours in desperation, Jeffpw 21:38, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Werdnabot is presently blocked following a malfunction. Werdna doesn't seem to be around to fix it. You can always request MiszaBot III, which also starts a new archive itself when the present one reaches a certain size. Just ask Misza13, telling him (a) you current archive page, (b) how old threads should be before being archived, and (c) what size the archive should be allowed to get to before a new one is started.... WjBscribe 14:26, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

RE intersex vs Transgender

Hi - RE your question on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies,

As to why T and not I - the T group has had a longer affiliation with LGB groups, particularly drag and transsexuals. Much medical study of Homosexuality also included transsexuality and transgenderism in general.

Cheers, Mate

Lwollert 09:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

So if I understand correctly, they both have to do with the fluidity of (and the spectrum) of gender. But Intersex people were *definitely* born that way, while there's some element of choice (or perception of choice) for LGBT. Does that sum it up? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 14:29, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Hmm.... I would say, rather, that intersex relates to a physical/anatomical variation where there is a confusion of sex, whereas transgender is a social/intellectual/psychological (metaphysical?) variation, where there is a confusion of gender. Transsexual people are almost definately "born that way" (with perhaps the exception of 'some late-onset transsexuals. I cannot comment authoritatively for the rest of the transgender spectrum.
For example, drag queens may have more of an element of choice, than say, transsexuals, or transvestites.
I suppose some things to emphasis is that transgender is an "umbrella" term. "Gender" reffers to a variety of measures, including social gender (how someone is percieved), gender identity (how someone percieves themselves) and anatomical gender (how someone's sex characterstics interact with gender). Sex is generally defined as Male versus Female, Gender as Masculine versus Feminine. Thus a camp gay man, who is somewhat effeminate, has a male gender identity, and male sex, is percieved as more feminine in social gender, and thus breaks the gender stereotypes.
Cheers, Lwollert 22:01, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
The word "queer" is so much easier than alphabet soup... <sigh> -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
LOL - yes, but people often look for a "symbol" or "box" to put themselves in, rather than accepting one they feel doesn't fit them. Lwollert 22:16, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

MyMaths

The article should not be deleted. I am only 14 years old, why would I advertise MyMaths. It may sounds like it is advertising but I can assure you I did not mean for it to sound like that

Brylcreem2 15:37, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Christopher Whyte

I have requested an article about the well-known Scottish writer Christopher Whyte. Even before anyone has written the article, you have requested that it be deleted.

Perhaps you don't like Christopher Whyte's work. But he is an award-winning contemporary Scottish writer and worthy of note.

I hope someone will write a Wikipedia article about Christopher Whyte. Unfortunately, I am extemely busy and unable to set time aside for this at present. I can draw up a bibiography, if you wish, but I haven't time to do justice to Christopher Whyte's unusual, highly original and challenging body of work.

Therefore, I should like to flag this up as an article needing written.

With kind regards Avril.rennie 16:21, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Moshinsky

[1]: Why place Marcos Moshinsky in WikiProject Spain? The connection escapes me. - Jmabel | Talk 22:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeh, that falls under the "WTF" category :) Speaking of categories, he's in the "Category:Prince of Asturias Award winners", which was part of WP:SPAIN, so the bot put the banner there. In hindsight, that cat shouldn't have been automated. Please remove the banner if he doesn't belong. Thanks :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
That explains it: roughly like sticking all Nobelists in a project on Sweden... - Jmabel | Talk 03:26, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Monsieur Mallah

I just wanted to let you know I partially reverted this edit by your bot. If you look at the section entitled "Romance," you'll see that the LGBT cat is appropriate for the character while the "gay men" is not. He's a gay gorilla :) CovenantD 02:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not seeing it. A man (let's call brain that, though at some points he's just a brain) and a gorilla. Doesn't matter the gender of the gorilla - it's still not L, G, B, or T. It's Z - Zoophilia. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 02:38, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
It's kinda like Jessica Rabbit; he's just drawn that way. Ever since his introduction, he's been treated as a human in a very hairy, very strong body. Maybe a closer look at this image will help you see what I mean. If we were to rule out all non-human characters, that would eliminate such aliens as Starman (comics), Phyla-Vell, Xavin, Element Lad and Hulkling. I see where you're coming from, but in this case I think the premise of the character should allow for it's inclusion. CovenantD 03:02, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, I'm not removing the banner, but I have strong reservations. Does that mean Bugs Bunny gets tagged? Snagglepuss? You see where I'm coming from. Starman et al at least look human, but Mallah just looks like a gorilla. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 03:10, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Bugs is gay? I knew he like to cross-dress, but I always thought the flirting with Elmer was just for fun...
And have we ever seen Snagglepuss with anybody, of either gender? He could just be a very effiminate but ultimately asexual, uh, feline :D
Seriously, I understand your concerns and even share them to a degree, but I really think MM and Brain are a rare exception. The writer(s) obviously wrote that page to show them in the throes of a same-gender attraction, regardless of species (or robotic body). Bugs & Co. just used innuendo for humor. Because it looks like you've got a bot to go through these categories, I don't see it getting out of hand. That's why I'm basically asking you on your talk page to consider Mallah an exception. CovenantD 03:34, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
That's cool - I understand. Like I said, I'm not removing it again. Does the talk page have our banner?
I threw in Snagglepuss because of the Drawn Together episode, where he makes a cameo - check out the article.
In this instance, I've been using the bot account, but I'm manually reviewing articles in categories that should have our banner. I've been removing cats where needed, but mostly just adding the banner.
Anyway, good editing, and I bow to your expertise in this subject :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 03:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I concur with CovenantD here as well. It's got to be the weirdest fictional same-sex relationship I've ever heard of, but it is the intent of the writers to be more of a "love conquers all" thing, even though one is a superintelligent gorilla and the other is a brain in a jar. They're just two guys in love. =P — coelacan — 04:02, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
That's the Doom Patrol for you, Coelacan. They're the same team that brought us Danny the Transvestite Street.
I'm ensure the banner is properly placed, SatyrTN (anywhere near Short Mtn?).
Took a look at Gay Bash. While quite funny, it's still not conclusive - could have been Snagglepuss's gay cousin. Oh, no. Does that mean that Jasper, Brian Griffin's gay cousin from Family Guy, should be included?  ;) (Just kidding - he doesn't have an article.) CovenantD 04:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
(I hope Satyr's not active right now and getting orange banners over and over.) Honestly, I would probably say yes on Jasper, except he's not notable enough to have his own article. And I'm actually wondering why Danny's not in Category:LGBT characters in comics... — coelacan — 04:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Okay, um, I added Danny the Street to the category and the project. That might have been a crazy call on my part...? Is there any end to my madness? — coelacan — 06:34, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Madness good :)
ROTFL! I don't mind the orange banners - I like feeling connected more than I like wondering what everyone else is doing. Wait - is that codependent? Whatever :) And I don't know Family Guy hardly at all, so I'll leave that up to y'all.
I've been to Short Mountain many many many times, CovenantD - heading there for Beltaine this year, too :) And, in fact, planning on buying a parcel of land just down the road apiece from the Sanctuary. Have you been? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 06:05, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
More of a Wolf Creek boy, actually. SMS is a bit far for me to travel. CovenantD 06:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I went there for Samhain a few years ago and had a blast. Though you west coast faeries are really high-church! :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 06:59, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh, so you know Silverfang (fka Wolfie)? ;) CovenantD 07:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Love her (and her multi-colored dreads) to death! :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 14:57, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Template help

Hi there Satyr. :-) I need your expertise. There's something weird going on with the LGBT project banner in the SSM in Spain talk page here. Something's wrong with the FA class, but I don't seem able to fix it either there or at the template page (everything looks normal to me). Could you give it a look please? :-) Cheers and thanks in advance Raystorm 15:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean because it's wider than the others in the WikiProjectBanners box? That's because of the "nested=yes". That tag works for the {{WikiProjectBannerShell}}, but not for {{WikiProjectBanners}}. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Wait - you mean the link to the FA-class articles. Hold on - I know what that is. My bad. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:50, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Okay - fixed. Thanks for letting me know! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 16:10, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Satyr! :-) Raystorm 16:22, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

McCarthy Trenching

I almost Speedied McCarthy Trenching too, but then I did some research. Check out the article's talk page for context. Thanks and keep up the awesome work! Rockstar915 06:33, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Hi, thanks for your response. The band does fulfill WP:BAND, and changes have been made to show... I didn't create the page -- per the speedy delete box: "If this page does not meet the criteria for speedy deletion, or you intend to fix it, please remove this notice, but do not remove this notice from pages that you have created yourself." I didn't create the page, so I removed the notice. Because I didn't create the page, I shouldn't add {{hangon}} to it, but rather remove the speedy delete box, per the box's instructions. As far as I know, I followed all the correct procedures. Please let me know if I did anything wrong, but the article ought not be speedy deleted, but rather cleaned up and expanded as they are a notable band (though I have never heard their music :) ). Rockstar915 06:42, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks for understanding! :) Rock on, Rockstar915 06:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Vandal whacking stick

I hereby award you this Vandal whacking stick. Use it well... WjBscribe 17:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I hereby award you this Vandal whacking stick. Use it well... WjBscribe 17:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Have a trusty Vandal whacking stick to deal with future such incidents :-). WjBscribe 17:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

ROTFL!! Thanks :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 17:33, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Slarr

I created the Slarr page and it got nominated for speedy deletion so I added a hangon tag and left my reason why it should stay on the talk page, but now the talk page and article have been completely deleted and I've been left with no reason why. Why would they do such a thing? Slegrenst 15:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Bot and LGBT Cats

Your bot is a tad bit annoying. How exactly is it making its determination to remove the LGBT category? Does the article have to use the word "gay" or something? Wjhonson 02:40, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Seems a tad hetero-normative. Wjhonson 05:04, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
We are the system. You write a bot that weakens our position by caving in to hetero demands. Wjhonson 08:01, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
And do you also have a bot that scans for the word "straight" and adds "citation needed" to all those as well? Wjhonson 06:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
You removed the cat from Lar Lubovitch for example. That's not an example of an article which didn't need the cat, and it's not an example of the cat being used improperly. I am the one who found the citation and added it. In my mind, there's no reason at all, for someone *in* the project to be doing that. We have plenty of people who would be happy to go around removing them, we don't need to be proactively doing that ourselves. It just undermines the whole project in my opinion. Wjhonson 23:40, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
As a follow-up to that, some of these articles I started *solely* because the person was gay and that's what interested me in making an article for them. I mean come on, you removed the cat from a writer who wrote for Men on Men. That's a pretty right-in-your-face work that says "Yes I'm gay". Wjhonson 23:42, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Then you should stop. If your idea of a useful project is one that spends half its time eating its own flesh, than I don't wish to be any part of that project. There are enough critics without fostering one inside our own ranks.Wjhonson 03:41, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I regard Satyr's work here as vital to the reputation of WP:LGBT. More than any other project it comes under attack for having a POV agenda and taking too lax an approach to policies like WP:BLP. It is essential that the project be seen to take a tough line on reliable sourcing, especially with living people to counter this. And all editors should be taking a hard line on these issues in every article they encounter. We are not here to make special policy exceptions for articles of interest to LGBT people. WjBscribe 03:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
That argument is not relevant. No one is asking for special policy exceptions. What I'm stating is that this sort of criticism should not be coming from inside the project. That is a good way for the project to implode. Hey let's all start criticising each other's articles! How fun!! It's not fun, it's really objectionable. To say that we have to police ourselves with a stricture that far exceeds that of any other editor appears to be a form of self-censorship imho. It's just not necessary. If there is a BLP issue, let someone raise it. That does not mean that the project itself has to be that someone.Wjhonson 03:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
How is removing a category a criticism? Asking for a citation a criticism? We do that, both within the project and outside of it, with articles we like and those we don't, all the time - it's sort of the point of this collaborative exercise! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 03:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Wjhonson, self regulation is far better than having the reputation of the project in tatters were it to come to light that we ignor potential WP:BLP problems in articles within the scope of the project. Finding the problems and resolving them is the sort of pro-activity that should be encouraged not censured. In any event, you've more than made your point, now please stop badgering Satyr and let him get on with his productive work. WjBscribe 03:56, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

The difference is, you are doing it on a global and systematic basis. Basically taking a hammer to a thumbtack. In general we don't have bots running all over the wiki on a seek-and-destroy mission at the *project* level. There are only a few bots, or individuals who engage in global activity like what you did. There is a reason why the RW has *authors* and *critics* and almost never are these the same person. And there is a reason why authors generally dislike critics. A project that spends time in internal criticism is not needed, we have enough critics as it is. Internal criticism is unnecessary and destructive to the goals of the project.Wjhonson 04:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. So does Satyr. I think you'll find most (if not all) other members of the project also disagree with you. This discussion is going nowhere however and I ask you again to stop badgering Satyr. You've said your piece. WjBscribe 04:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Let me say this again - ALL the edits I made with regard to categories and placing the banner are done in manual oversight - in other words, I'm reviewing each and every article. I'm reading every page. And then I decide what to do. The only reason I'm doing it under the bot account is because it's tedious and repetitive. The bot is doing nothing automatically. So nothing I did was on a *global* level - it was a review of each article to decide if there were citations there or not, if the categories were warranted or not. I'm perfectly willing to admit I made mistakes - no doubt about it. I'm not perfect and don't claim to be. But in no way were my actions criticisms of anyone. I may have noted that a particular article needed a citation, but that's what all reviewers do. So I'm sorry if you've taken offense at something I did, but I don't see that anything I've done is out of line. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 04:10, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Welcome template

Hi there. I'm not sure which Welcome template you left at User talk:Slipk087, but the link to BOLD goes to Wikipedia:Bold (a disambiguation page), not WP:BOLD. Regards, Flyguy649talkcontribs 19:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Tech question

In these changes you request for the Film infobox, does "nested talk" refer to this method of opening a subpage for comments? If so, why? I'm not good in template jargon, but I think I bumped into this nested talk before. Hoverfish Talk 19:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Kirill Lokshin might be the better one to ask, but I'm almost positive it's the class used for the nested templates rather than the class used for standard templates. I'm almost positive it has nothing to do with opening a sub-page for comments. That's something like what {{WPBiography}} has, right? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 20:38, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikiprojects

Thanks, that was really helpful! I'd recommend putting a notice on the village pump as well as here if you want to let people know. However, I'm not at all sure that the council directory is up-to-date, such pages usually aren't. Thanks! >Radiant< 09:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Stefano

As far as I can tell, the article does not exist in es:Wiki. Raystorm 00:14, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks, Satyr, for reverting the vandalism to my page. I've just reported Rasheed3036 on the AN/I for his repeated vandalism. Aleta 01:21, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Hah, I've seen so many people's pages which say "this user's page has been vadalised X times". I sort of feel like I've accomplished something by getting a vandal annoyed enough with me to vandalize my page... not that I want it to keep happening, of course... I'm glad this one is gone for now at least. Aleta 03:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Moral support

Like WjBscribe, I wasn't paying total attention to your posts - I think you're on the right track with nailing uncited buggers - keep up the good work!
And I'm from a little college town known as the only one on Earth! ZueJay (talk) 05:03, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Might I ask why we striking entries rather than removing them? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:38, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

The Purple Heart
I, Jeffpw, award this barnstar to SatyrTN for getting a bad rap for being a good editor. Thank you for your contributions to the LGBT Project. Some of us appreciate them, and you! Jeffpw 12:21, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Seconded. Your contributions to the project are absolutely vital, and appreciated. Certainly I think we'd be half as successful as we are today were it not for you. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 12:55, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Aww - stop, y'all. No, not really. :)
I dunno, Dev - would deleting them make more sense? That works for me. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I admit I'm not all too sure about what's going on, although I've read (okay, skimmed) the discussion above. Anyway, if it's about showing moral support... you go Satyr! :-) You're the best and don't let anyone tell you otherwise! You're a great editor, and have always come to my aid whenever I've requested it... ;-) Raystorm 17:01, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

There's 2019 people on that list. If we remove them, we can calculate what percentage we've done. It seems to work for WP:MEC as an incentive to spur people on, what do you say? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 08:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Suere - sounds good to me! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:38, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

The Boys in the Band

To my way of thinking, a stub or start article contains little to no information. This one has a detailed plot synopsis, includes production details with dates and cast members, and has a photo. It certainly provides more data than many other Wiki articles. In fact, I'm not sure what more one could say about the subject. If you would like to suggest what you would add to make it more complete, I'll be happy to hear your thoughts. Please respond on my talk page. Thanks! SFTVLGUY2 13:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Sub-headings are not mandatory . . . they are designed to divide overly long articles so there's not one mass of print running down the page. This article is short enough to warrant not using them. And keep in mind their use in film articles is suggested, not required. Personally, I think it's ridiculous to have an article, be it short or long, divided into several separate sections, each of which contains only one or two sentences. Thanks for your friendly input! SFTVLGUY2 14:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
The problem in adding critical and audience reaction to the article is finding any that can be referenced nearly forty years later. If you look at the article for the film, you'll see I found a sufficient number of reviews to quote. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case with the play. SFTVLGUY2 15:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm just putting these here to take a look at later:
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  • About 200 articles (40 in 1968 alone) on NY Times (not free) [4]

Thanks

Thanks for removing the unsourced category from Juan Gabriel. Since they put that in the page has been a magnet for vandalism. I just think the guy is so talented and does good deeds to boot.PEACETalkAbout 05:02, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

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